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Well, here is another go at my Chaos Daemons, an attempt at Fatecrusher and hopefully a good one. On a side note, I have 27 points that I have no clue what to do with...


HQ: Fateweaver

HQ: Herald of Tzeentch, Chariot, Bolt of Tzeentch, Master of Sorcery.

HQ: Herald of Tzeentch, Chariot, Bolt of Tzeentch, Master of Sorcery

HQ Total: 533 Points

Elites: 8 Bloodcrushers

Elites: 8 Bloodcrushers

Elites: 6 Fiends, Unholy might

Elites Total: 820 Points

Troops: 5 Plaugebearers of Nurgle, Chaos Icon

Troops: 5 Plaugebearers of Nurgle, Chaos Icon

Troops: 5 Plaugebearers of Nurgle, Chaos Icon

Troops Total: 300 Points

Heavy Support: Daemon Prince of Tzeentch, Mark of Tzeentch, Daemonic Gaze, Bolt of Tzeeentch

Heavy Support: Daemon Prince of Tzeentch, Mark of Tzeentch, Daemonic Gaze, Bolt of Tzeeentch

Heavy Support Total: 320 Points

List Grand Total: 1973 Points (Stupid Fateweaver!)

Going up against Space Wolves and Imperial Guard, of which, the Guard army will have maybe one or two tanks, and the Space Wolves player is Special Character happy. Any critique on the list, as well as advice on how to play this army and how to spend those 27 points.

Only started putting together my Daemon army, but looking at the dex, i reckon 25p icon is worth the last few points. Maybe on the crushers or the plague bearers? They are tough enough to get a use out of it

Your list look pretty legit, I would suggest switching out a Daemon Prince for a Soul Grinder, but a Daemon Prince is a bit more flexible.

Hmmm, some remarks.

The reason that Fatecrusher in the stricktest sense isn't used anymore is that Bloodcrushers didn't quite keep up with the direction the game developed in. Speed is more prevalent these days with Blood Angels and Dark Elder on the scene. 2x8 Bloodcrushers are suboptimal IMO. You need more speed. When using Crushers adding all upgrades does make sense, especially in smaller squads and especially since you do invest in Icons elsewhere in the list.

Also, by saving some points here and there your can free up quite a lot of points and add some threats to your list.

I'd go with something like this:

333 Fateweaver
100 Herald of Tzeentch, Chariot, Bolt of Tzeentch, Master of Sorcery.
100 Herald of Tzeentch, Chariot, Bolt of Tzeentch, Master of Sorcery

200 4 Bloodcrushers, everything
200 4 Bloodcrushers, everything
190 6 Fiends, Unholy might

75 5 Plaguebearers of Nurgle
75 5 Plaguebearers of Nurgle
150 10 Bloodletters

120 8 Flesh Hounds

160 Daemon Prince of Tzeentch, Mark of Tzeentch, Daemonic Gaze, Bolt of Tzeeentch
160 Daemon Prince of Tzeentch, Mark of Tzeentch, Daemonic Gaze, Bolt of Tzeeentch
125 Daemon Prince of Slaanesh, Mark of Slaanesh, Iron Hide, AoA, Transfixing Gaze

1998 points

The Bloodletters, Flesh Hounds and 3rd Prince add speed, options and threats while loosing those Crushers and gaining woundallocation stuff isn't that big of a sacrifice.

You don't need more Icons than the ones in this variant of the list. One is good, two is not needed, but with the added benefit of making the Crushers complex it's just about pays of. I don't think you'll ever need three Icons. As for the Soulgrinder? The only way I'd take them in a competative list is three at the time or none at all. Also, they don't have any synergy with Fateweaver, so wouldn't consider them in your list.

Good luck with the list.

Cilithan

cilithan: that looks like nice fatecrusher list, but i personally think it is not that good as people think. I mean really, you fail one Ld test and puff! It's gone, and if you are unlucky that happens fast

the unforgiven wrote:cilithan: that looks like nice fatecrusher list, but i personally think it is not that good as people think. I mean really, you fail one Ld test and puff! It's gone, and if you are unlucky that happens fast

The OP asks feedback on a Fatecrusher list, so thats what I give feedback on.

On the Fateweaver is week argument that keeps creaping up now and then: it's not true... Fateweaver is a competative unit in the Daemons codex. He borders on being overpowered.
I have a good deal of experience with Fateweaver and in all the games the last year or so he failed his Ld-check once in the 2nd turn. There are many more battle where he weathered an ungodly amount of incomming fire... Ld 9 makes for a 1 in 6 chance to fail a Ld-check. And thats after wounding on T5 and getting past a 3++ rerolled save. Trust me, this make Fateweaver withstand incredible amounts of fire more often than him failing the first turn.

The thing is, don't build your list around Fateweaver. Make it strong in itself and add Fateweaver. What he will do in the very least is grabbing the opponents attention for the first turn or two during which you get to advance with the rest of your army practically unschated.

There are a lot of examples of Fateweaver lists doing well in competative environments. In battlereport right now Italiaplaya writes a tournament report where he scored 5/5 in wins.

People don't 'think' Fateweaver is good, it's been shown/proven that Fateweaver is good...

Cilithan

Which is why I like using Fateweaver. Time and time again he has proved useful, surviving 4 turns of 15 MLs pointed at him, as well as Lascannons and Battlecannons. He literally attracts shooting attacks, and with Daemonic Flight, he can out manuever any CC unit who wants to get close and ruin his day.