Building and converting Ork vehicles - where do you stand?

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**Miraclefish**

So, Ork vehicles. Lots of fun to make, but how do you feel about playing with or against them?

I'm not a huge fan of the Battlewagon so I'm planning to build another one based on a Land Raider. It'll be open topped and very, very looted. I'm considering having a Carnifex on a harness instead of a Deffrolla for lovely S10 goodness.

Now, it won't be the same size, height or shape as a Battlewagon. Some of this may help me, some may hinder me. I don't care about this, I just really want a Loot Raida! It'll go with my Leman Robbed, Basiloot, Rhinork and Vindicrasher.

How do you feel about seeing a custom Ork vehicle on the table?

Are you happy to play anything your opponent puts down, or for tournaments and semi-competitive games, is it GW model or nothing?

**j_p_chess**

If you are modeling for a benefit COAL

If you are modeling cause there is no model for it PRESENT

**Miraclefish**

What about if you don't like the model and want to do your own?

**RobGoblin**

I'm fine with it, and i use them in my games, and no one seems to care, however i just use the normal rules for the converted items i have, and don't have any special rules that give me an advantage.

**gloomygrim**

I hate the look of the battle wagon tbh its to small and doesnt look like its going to mulch you into te floor so i made my own, from a land raider, i use it as a battlewagon in standard games and a skull hama in apoc, till i can afford a bainblade to convert anyway lol.

I like folks who have there own made/customised vehicles is much better to look at if there done right

**biztheclown**

Anyone who is in any way against ork players building crazy vehicles should go back to magic cards. They have no place in this game.

**yournamehere**

It is always rule of cool.

If it looks cool and people can tell you put the effort in, they will let the (very small) bonuses of a bigger hull go.

If it looks like you slapped it together to get those bonuses well your going to get complaints.

Go for it and make it cool I say.

**Ulver**

j_p_chess wrote:If you are modeling for a benefit COAL

If you are modeling cause there is no model for it PRESENT

COAL? What is COAL? "Carnifex On A Landraider"?

**MechaEmperor7000**

Ulver wrote:
j_p_chess wrote:If you are modeling for a benefit COAL

If you are modeling cause there is no model for it PRESENT

COAL? What is COAL? "Carnifex On A Landraider"?

I think he's making a Christmas Joke =P

In anycase, Rule of Cool always takes over. I think there was even a small blurp by the devs somewhere ( cant find it now, I'll give the page number when I do) about how Ork vehicles will vary in size and shape. This is especially the case with the Looted Wagon, which literally can be any vehicle.

**Warboss Imbad Ironskull**

If someone models their own Ork vehicle using another army model then it is perfectly legal, that's why vehicles don't have set deminsions listed in their stats.

Now if someone is modeling for advantage and it's obvious then I'll have a problem, but if they did the model because either they don't like the original, there is no model for it or it's cheaper to build their own and it just happens to be smaller then the original then I can understand that.

And as was said there is the rule of cool plus the rule of the Orks

**MechaEmperor7000**

That Wagon needs more guns. MOAR DAKKA!

On a related note, that think looks like the start of some kind of humongous ork mech.

**BuFFo**

Miraclefish wrote:How do you feel about seeing a custom Ork vehicle on the table?

Doing this captures the VERY essence of the hobby, which sadly, many people cannot fathom. I would love to see a custom Ork vehicle on the table.

This hobby needs more people like you.

**oadie**

I'm all for custom Ork vehicles, with those few caveats that have already been mentioned:

At least make the vehicle a reasonable approximation of the size and function of what you're representing. Given the same level of modeling, I'd obviously prefer to play (with or against) a Land Raider-based Battlewagon conversion than a Rhino/Chimaira/Reman Russ-based one and the converse for a Trukk/Looted Wagon. I have the same stance with counts-as models - I'd have no issue playing against them if I have at least a fighting chance of remembering what the hell they're supposed to be.

Also, put some effort into it, people! If you aren't proxying for play-testing purposes, a shoebox with wheels and teeth does not a Skullhamma make. Old paint pots are not Killa Kans, but they can serve as a nice base to build one around. If you're using a counts-as model from another army, that's a different issue entirely, but sticking half a boy in an open hatch is a cop out, plain and simple.

Honestly, I both love and hate the fact that Orks give modelers so much license to scratchbuild and kitbash. On the one hand, it allows people to really let loose and build the wackiest, deadliest looking vehicles imaginable. On the other hand, it's facilitated the rise of this horrible notion that gluing on some cardboard squares and botching the paintjob "makes it more orky."

**MechaEmperor7000**

Ork vehicles are easily the most forgiving in terms of conversions. However most people tend to forget this and never improve from it.

**Warboss Imbad Ironskull**

@MechaEmperor7000: It isn't a BW it's a battle fortress or something like that.

@Oadie: I agree, there was a player one time who made a BW out of a model ship then put wheels from a toy car on it with some plasticard shaped like Ork heads.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Lol it still needs MOAR DAKKA!

**Jubear**

Custom made ork vehicles are fine aslong as they match the size and footprint of an existing model if such a model exist.

looted LRs as BWs peeve me a bit because I went to the effort and expense to collect the proper models even tho the front armour facing is tiny compared to a LR.

LRs as looted a looted wagon is fine however as there is no model (nor should there be)

**Warboss Imbad Ironskull**

Jubear wrote:looted LRs as BWs peeve me a bit because I went to the effort and expense to collect the proper models

You're peeved because you bought the actual model and someone else didn't? No one made you buy it

**karlosovic**

Jubear wrote:looted LRs as BWs peeve me a bit because I went to the effort and expense to collect the proper models

This makes no sense.... do you think Land Raider models just magically appear in the collections of people who don't want to go "to the effort and expense" ?! Last time I bought a Land Raider I had to go to a store, and it certainly wasn't bloody free!!!

**MechaEmperor7000**

Dont know about you guys, but a LR costs the same as a Battle Wagon in Canada. The only reason anyone would do this now is on rule of cool, since a LR Wagon would be just as expensive or more than a normal BW.

**BuFFo**

Jubear wrote:looted LRs as BWs peeve me a bit because I went to the effort and expense to collect the proper models

Yeah, because when I converted my old LR into a BW, I stole the LR from a crippled child, or it was hand given to me by GW. Take your pick.

**Warboss Imbad Ironskull**

BuFFo wrote:
Jubear wrote:looted LRs as BWs peeve me a bit because I went to the effort and expense to collect the proper models

Yeah, because when I converted my old LR into a BW, I stole the LR from a crippled child, or it was hand given to me by GW. Take your pick.

^
This +1, though there probably wasen't enough effort exerted taking it from the kid for it to qualify against his going to the store

**Jubear**

LRs are alot cheaper online then BWs for some reason that prolly has to do with the shear amount of them in circulation.

And when you buy a LR kit you get an actual LR with all its options. Not so with BWs you buy the kit and then you buy the deffrola sprue separately.

And my main point is it sucks I could have just thrown some gliffs and gubbins on 3 LR and gotten out alot cheaper with much wider front armor.

**Warboss Imbad Ironskull**

Jubear wrote:LRs are alot cheaper online then BWs for some reason that prolly has to do with the shear amount of them in circulation.

And when you buy a LR kit you get an actual LR with all its options. Not so with BWs you buy the kit and then you buy the deffrola sprue separately.

And my main point is it sucks I could have just thrown some gliffs and gubbins on 3 LR and gotten out alot cheaper with much wider front armor.

That's not really a reason to be peeved at other players because yet again no one made you buy the BW.

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Oh and last time I checked the LR didn't come with a deffrolla either

**j_p_chess**

The idea gets props from me, ork stuff should look like spawn from a trailer park according to fluff.

Rules as written you gotta use wysiwyg. I have been cheesed over too many times by scratch builds for power. Or weapons not on/swapped.

Also as a cron player I hate how the monolith looks, and that it is more possible to hide homer Simpson than that thing. I made a different one and had everybody screaming cheese at me :(

**Scott-S6**

I love the official ork vehicles (especially the wagon) but it bothers me immensely that the "random" armour plating is identical on all of them. Why they didn't cram all the spare bits of sprue with random plates, I have no idea.

Nothing wrong with converted/scratchbuilt models for any army where it's done for asthetic reasons (as opposed to "I don't want to buy the proper one so I have a soda can with wheels).

**Warboss Imbad Ironskull**

Yeah see I actually like the warbuggy models (once updated with new guns and drivers) but even at that I want to make something unique so I'm turning bikes into looted can-am spyders.

I don't really think there are very many armies in 40k that have this degree of flexibility when it comes to representing your models, I mean I've seen a SM 4x4 that represented an attack bike. But it's not like there are 8 differant ways you could represent a rhino.

It's apart of the Orks fluff and as long as it's done well and dosen't take advantage of the rules (a model of the General Lee with a toilet paper roll as a gun isn't a BW) I think it's perfectly fine.

..........now I want to paint/convert a trukk to look like the General Lee

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:..........now I want to paint/convert a trukk to look like the General Lee

Sigh, I just went for the hillbilly pickup trukk look.

But yeah, as to converting ork vehicles, I say go nuts. Why should you limit your creativity just because there's an official model? It's your hobby after all, you do what you want with it, as long as the end model is legal and looks cool. Heck, if you can justify it well, there's no reason not to, other than cost!

**Juvieus Kaine**

I puts this to the readers of the thread: What about Lego Orky vehicles?

**yournamehere**

Believe me, I have tried.

Of course I was about 13 maybe and using Popsicle sticks with the lego pieces but no.

Lego pieces honestly just look crummy, and half assed.