Do I need two Land Raiders?

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**MechaEmperor7000**

Both of my raiders came to me at the same price, roughly 1/3rd of the cost of a raider at retail, with all the options there (the turrets and hatches were separately assembled, so the options are all there for me to switch out). My marine army, though, already has over 100 marines, 3 dreadnoughts, 3 bikes, a crapload of terminators (roughly 15-20) and several characters.

My Chaos army, on the other hand, only has rhinos, which *kinda* suck when you deal with alot of Berserkers. The PMs have largely taken over the Rhinos so I've been considering mounting my zerkers in a Raider. Today I dug out two un-clipped Chaos Vehicle Sprues and a bunch of vehicle spike racks, so I can convert one of the raiders for use in my Khorne army.

My only problem is my SM army does have a division solely for Deathwing Terminators, so multiple land raiders might be of use. However given that I already have enough Dreadnoughts and a load of terminators, I doubt I'll ever have the points to field a second raider. Should I convert it to chaos or no? Thanks!

**Scott-S6**

One land raider is pretty much redundant - any decent army should be able to kill it with minimal effort. (this is the source of the original "land raiders are rubbish" when the current model was released.

Two or more land raiders is substantially more difficult to deal with.

**Dracos**

One LR is fine - as long as the point size for the game isn't too high.

Two landraiders are more difficult to deal with than 1, that is certain. However, armies that are going to be able to kill 1 with "minimal effort" can certainly deal with 2. The problem with stacking up LRs is that if you opponent has a reliable answer for them, you are pretty much screwed. Putting 1 in your list means that you can add in a lot more support elements to help suppress anything that can kill it with "minimal effort".

In the end this is really just about solid list building. Using a single or multiple LRs is fine, as long as the list is well built.

I use a single LRC in my 1500 C:SM list, and it works quite well (check sig for list).

I'm not sure how much I like LRs in CSM armies anyways, so I think that is more or the question here.

**MechaEmperor7000**

the LR is cheaper in the CSM army in exchange for not having PotMS. It can get Daemonic Possession, which negates Shaken and stunned and still cost less than a normal vanilla raider.

The only reason I'm considering it though is because right now I own a bunch of Berserkers (38 to be exact) that have no reliable method of transport. Rhinos means that for one turn they are unable to charge and footslogging it the way means they're gonna get shot up. The raider, while only able to deliver one squad effectively, can be enough to tarpit some enemy units while the rest of my army gets into position (I'll have Kharn ride in it and be able to burp him out along with the squad, tarpitting two potential shooters in one go). And yes, it's a mono-khorne army.

**Jaon**

2 Land Raiders is good, 3 Land Raiders is overstepping the Cost/Effectiveness threshold.

**-Loki-**

I never had problems with my single Land Raider, though this was back in 3rd edition when Salamanders got Reinforced Ceramite that made melta weapons pretty useless.

**112lom**

i havnt feilded 2 landraiders in ages 1 because they are too expensive and the points you spend on then can buy you a better tacticaly viable option so i wouuld convert 1 to chaos because it will give you opitions for your chaos ary. That said thats its really up to you.

good luck with you decision.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Currently I'm digging out my third raider, which is little more than a wreck due to me getting it in a tank bitz deal. I intend on converting it into a Nurgle Raider (since it's so run down, I'm going to convert something along the lines of a rib cage to fill out the gaps in the armor. Never liked the ooey gooey look of the other nurgle conversions. Nurgle is the god of decay, so any vehicle dedicated to him should be rotting). Unfortunately my friends wont let me proxy my raider as a chaos one, so I wont get to test it out until I do have one =(.

**Fmos**

As a Black Templar, I like my landraiders a lot

But I rarely field more than one in standard games because they are too point expensives and I prefer to place my points in other things. However, in higher points games (2500pts and up) I dont think twice about it , as a well supported assault team in a LRC is a force to be reckoned with. Its true that LRC can be dealt with easily with the right tools, but you can do your part in protecting it too and trust me no one likes to see one of these beasts beelining to a unit

**MechaEmperor7000**

I guess I might convert it then, as I never play games that are larger than 1500 points.