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Two questions: can a dreadnought use smoke launches and charge in the same turn, then benefit from a cover save if it kills the squad it's charging and can be shot at?
Question 2: if you assault into combat or an enemy assaults you, can you deliberately move an IC so that it can't be attacked by a certain model? (For example - a unit of meganobz led by mad dok grotsnik charge into a multiple combat between termagaunts and a trygon, can he deliberately move grotsnik so that the trygon can't attack him?) Does this also mean that if I charge someone they can move their IC so it's out of range?

Zoot wrote:Two questions: can a dreadnought use smoke launches and charge in the same turn, then benefit from a cover save if it kills the squad it's charging and can be shot at?
Question 2: if you assault into combat or an enemy assaults you, can you deliberately move an IC so that it can't be attacked by a certain model? (For example - a unit of meganobz led by mad dok grotsnik charge into a multiple combat between termagaunts and a trygon, can he deliberately move grotsnik so that the trygon can't attack him?) Does this also mean that if I charge someone they can move their IC so it's out of range?

1) yes oh course you'd get the cover save.

2)Some times. If you assault you get to pick who goes where, so long as you lock models with P.Fist with one of your own models ( so he can't pile into your IC). If he charges you then you can only do it if you're lucky (normally he'll have aimed for your IC so he can do the most damage; best you can do is get into B2B with any models within 2" that aren't in B2B, so as to block them from attacking him). Note you must try to get your IC into B2B but he may be unable to reach any one.

1)edited out cause I got ninja'd

2)You must move the IC into base contact with a unit, if possible, however, you don't have to move the IC into base contact with the trygon unless the trygon is the closest model to the IC, so yes, they could assault the termigaunts, and if the Trygon is not in B2B with the trygon, then it can't attack him. A good way to counteract him moving his IC away from where you want it is to try to get the IC to be the first one engaged if you charge, or else once you have moved that first model, move the second model into B@B with the IC to make it where he can't move it, if possible.

Another question brought up by his 2nd.... since an IC counts as a separate unit, does it have to move into B2B with the closest unengaged model by the shortest distance possible?? Or does he not start counting as a separate unit until you determine who can attack?

2) Is not quite correct Galador

ONLY the first model to move, which is the closest model to the unit you declred the assault against, is compelled to move to the closest model in the target unit. Other models from the assaulting unit can assault a model further away than the next closest model, as long as they obey the other bullet points

According to page 49, you only treat the IC as a separate unit when resolbing attacks, which is AFTER you move all units

nosferatu1001 wrote:2) Is not quite correct Galador

ONLY the first model to move, which is the closest model to the unit you declred the assault against, is compelled to move to the closest model in the target unit. Other models from the assaulting unit can assault a model further away than the next closest model, as long as they obey the other bullet points

According to page 49, you only treat the IC as a separate unit when resolbing attacks, which is AFTER you move all units

TY Nos, thats why I asked my question, cause it came up into my head and I wasn't sure. I appreciate the clarification!


Also, I should have clarified it more in that I meant from my description that he was either A)the closest model, and B) if he was treated as a separate unit at that point. That's my mistake for not being clearer.

Can you move your models after your opponent charges so that you can target his IC? (the trygon in the example above)

No. Once a model is in base contact with an enemy, it doesn't move again until/unless that model runs away or is removed as a casualty.

Not if it's already in base contact with other enemy models.