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Now seriously, what happened in the horus heresy?I've talked to many people about it, and they all gave me this wierd look and ask me "did you really read the books?".I've only read 2 of the horus heresy(horus rising and false god), this is what I think happened:
Emperor retires from the expedition force to solve earth problems. Horus led the 63rd fleet around bringing worlds under compliance. He went to Davin's moon to kill this traitor who, I assume, got tainted by papa nurgle. Then he got wounded and was sent to the temple of serpents. He went into the warp and saw his son Sejuran, who basically tells him the emperor was going to call himself a god and abandon horus. Magnus went into the warp and tried to save horus from the hallucination but failed. Horus goes back and decided to turn against the emperor.
This is what I think the story is about, from ONLY the first two books (please dont tell me about the other ones, dont spoil my fun).
What I've heard from others was that Word Bearers were chaos already when Erebus took horus to davin's moon, and the word bearers turned against the emperor because the emperor didn't want himself to be a god.Is it true?
Thanks for your help!Im so confused right now...
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As I understand it the long and short of it is that Lorgar, the Word Bearers Primarch, was hurt that The Emperor refused his worship and so eventually he turned to the chaos gods who welcomed it.
After a certain point in the Great Crusade, the Emperor returned to Earth. He did not tell his Sons why. In reality he was going back to work on the machine that would become the Golden Throne, which was meant to allow mankind access to the Eldar webway, eliminating their need for warp travel. Why he didn't tell anyone this is unknown.
Lorgar was raised on a very religious planet. After he was found and became commander of the Word Bearers, he created a kind of worship of the Emperor. As one of the points of the Crusade was the abolishment of religion, this pissed the Emperor off. He told Lorgar to stop. Lorgar didn't listen. The Emp had the Ultramarines destroy one of Lorgar's emperor worshiping planets, then scolding the entire Word Bearer legion in the ruins. This pissed Lorgar off, and made him open to the temptation of Chaos, who was perfectly happy being worshiped.
Now on to Horus. He had taken over the crusade after the Emp left. A Word Bearer Chaplain, Erebus, has caused the IG general who was in charge of a conquered planet to turn to Papa Nurgle. The Erebus also gave the general a weapon that could kill even a Primarch, a weapon that came from one of the worlds Horus had actually conquered. Erebus then went and told Horus about the corruption. Horus went to destroy the traitor IG, and got stabbed by the weapon. He was dying, so Erebus recommended to receptive people among the Sons of Horus that they bring him to a place where he could be healed. This is a chaos temple. While being healed, he is shown all kinds of half-true visions by the Chaos Gods and Erebus, and ended up turning to Chaos.
Khisanth Magus wrote:Quick synopsis of Horus' turn to chaos:
Spoiler:
After a certain point in the Great Crusade, the Emperor returned to Earth. He did not tell his Sons why. In reality he was going back to work on the machine that would become the Golden Throne, which was meant to allow mankind access to the Eldar webway, eliminating their need for warp travel. Why he didn't tell anyone this is unknown.
Lorgar was raised on a very religious planet. After he was found and became commander of the Word Bearers, he created a kind of worship of the Emperor. As one of the points of the Crusade was the abolishment of religion, this pissed the Emperor off. He told Lorgar to stop. Lorgar didn't listen. The Emp had the Ultramarines destroy one of Lorgar's emperor worshiping planets, then scolding the entire Word Bearer legion in the ruins. This pissed Lorgar off, and made him open to the temptation of Chaos, who was perfectly happy being worshiped.
Now on to Horus. He had taken over the crusade after the Emp left. A Word Bearer Chaplain, Erebus, has caused the IG general who was in charge of a conquered planet to turn to Papa Nurgle. The Erebus also gave the general a weapon that could kill even a Primarch, a weapon that came from one of the worlds Horus had actually conquered. Erebus then went and told Horus about the corruption. Horus went to destroy the traitor IG, and got stabbed by the weapon. He was dying, so Erebus recommended to receptive people among the Sons of Horus that they bring him to a place where he could be healed. This is a chaos temple. While being healed, he is shown all kinds of half-true visions by the Chaos Gods and Erebus, and ended up turning to Chaos.
The Horus Heresy never actually happened. It's all just a ploy by the Emperor to keep his subjects loyal.
You see, in the year 20,000 Eurasia finally managed to conquer Eastasia. Oceania wasn't able to keep up it's war vs both of them for very long, so it soon fell.
Big Brother of Eurasia was now in a bit of a quandary. He had no more enemies to fight, and the party members soon began talk of replacing him.
He did the only thing he knew how to do. He went to war. But, with no enemies to fight, he had to invent some.
He renamed himself "The Emperor of Mankind" and made up these stories about Chaos and evil aliens and things like that.
When he witnessed how willing people were to obey him when so much was on the line, he started to get ridiculous in his stories.
Eventually, he made up the story of Horus and his betrayal, adding a healthy dose of outrage to the proles' fear.
Everything you're reading is just propaganda produced by the Inquisition (formally known as the Ministry of Love).
I remember reading this a while back and I think it deserves mention here. It leaves out the specifics and puts it in fun easy to understand terms.
Crantor wrote:The Emperor, owner of a bar downtown declares his grand opening after evicting the previous owners and buys a round for everyone and leaves the place in the capable hands of his manager Horus.
Horus is pissed at the new format and wants a dance club instead of a pub and decides to make it happen.
His bouncers, Mortarion, Angron, and Fulgrim (who likes to dance) all agree this is the right course to take the bar.
The Emperor’s most loyal customer, Magnus, files a complaint about this via text message but cell phones are not allowed in the bar. The Emperor tells Horus to get the doorman, Leman Russ to escort Magnus out.
Horus instead instructs Russ to throw him out. Russ instead smashes a bar stool over his head and then drags him out the back door.
Fulgrim takes over as DJ and starts playing some Lady Gaga. Everyone gets down.
Rogal Dorn, working the coat check isn’t too pleased at what’s happening and sends some of the guys to deal with this.
Corax and Vulkan start arguments with Angron and Mortarion. Ferrus Manus has words with Fulgrim about the music. A dance off ensues with Fulgrim knocking Ferrus out cold with a sucker punch.
The three talk tough as their buddies Alpharius, Lorgar, Konrad Curze and Perterabo show up to back them up.
Just as the argument heats up, the new guys smash beer bottles over Vulkan and Corax and have them thrown out of the bar.
Dorn seeing he is outnumbered locks himself in the coat check and gets on the phone to call his friends. While Perturabo and Angron try to smash the door down, Sanguinius and Khan show up for the fight. Gulliman is enjoying a 7-up at a bar across town but says he’s sober enough to drive over. Meanwhile Lion El Johnson can’t get past the line up because he's too busy fighting with his girlfriend.
While Khan revs his harley outside to scare everyone, Sanguinius tries to take on Horus who bitch slaps him to the ground. With all the noise and racket going on, the Emperor gets off the net (where he’s been trying to block spammers all night) and comes downstairs to sort the mess out. Dorn comes out of the coat check mouthing off at everyone.
Horus and the Emperor beat each other up until Horus passes out. Just then El’Johnson sneaks in with fake I.D. and Gulliman finally shows up with most of his Facebook friends (He has over 100 000). Russ shows up but is too drunk to fight.
Angron, Fulgrim et. al grab Horus’ limp body and make a run for the dance club down the street, vowing revenge. Alpharius stays behind in a washroom stall with a trench coat and sunglasses to beat up unsuspecting patrons.
Gulliman and Dorn put the Emperor in his lazyboy upstairs hoping he’ll wake up sooner or later. Gulliman takes temporary management of the bar and institutes a smoking ban and can’t serve to minors anymore rule. He also creates a more standard menu consisting of only meat products. Eldar, Orks and Tau are still banned.
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The Horus Heresy never actually happened. It's all just a ploy by the Emperor to keep his subjects loyal.
You see, in the year 20,000 Eurasia finally managed to conquer Eastasia. Oceania wasn't able to keep up it's war vs both of them for very long, so it soon fell.
Big Brother of Eurasia was now in a bit of a quandary. He had no more enemies to fight, and the party members soon began talk of replacing him.
He did the only thing he knew how to do. He went to war. But, with no enemies to fight, he had to invent some.
He renamed himself "The Emperor of Mankind" and made up these stories about Chaos and evil aliens and things like that.
When he witnessed how willing people were to obey him when so much was on the line, he started to get ridiculous in his stories.
Eventually, he made up the story of Horus and his betrayal, adding a healthy dose of outrage to the proles' fear.
Everything you're reading is just propaganda produced by the Inquisition (formally known as the Ministry of Love).
I think you have read a little bit to much of the book 1984....
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akaean wrote:I remember reading this a while back and I think it deserves mention here. It leaves out the specifics and puts it in fun easy to understand terms.
Crantor wrote:The Emperor, owner of a bar downtown declares his grand opening after evicting the previous owners and buys a round for everyone and leaves the place in the capable hands of his manager Horus.
Horus is pissed at the new format and wants a dance club instead of a pub and decides to make it happen.
His bouncers, Mortarion, Angron, and Fulgrim (who likes to dance) all agree this is the right course to take the bar.
The Emperor’s most loyal customer, Magnus, files a complaint about this via text message but cell phones are not allowed in the bar. The Emperor tells Horus to get the doorman, Leman Russ to escort Magnus out.
Horus instead instructs Russ to throw him out. Russ instead smashes a bar stool over his head and then drags him out the back door.
Fulgrim takes over as DJ and starts playing some Lady Gaga. Everyone gets down.
Rogal Dorn, working the coat check isn’t too pleased at what’s happening and sends some of the guys to deal with this.
Corax and Vulkan start arguments with Angron and Mortarion. Ferrus Manus has words with Fulgrim about the music. A dance off ensues with Fulgrim knocking Ferrus out cold with a sucker punch.
The three talk tough as their buddies Alpharius, Lorgar, Konrad Curze and Perterabo show up to back them up.
Just as the argument heats up, the new guys smash beer bottles over Vulkan and Corax and have them thrown out of the bar.
Dorn seeing he is outnumbered locks himself in the coat check and gets on the phone to call his friends. While Perturabo and Angron try to smash the door down, Sanguinius and Khan show up for the fight. Gulliman is enjoying a 7-up at a bar across town but says he’s sober enough to drive over. Meanwhile Lion El Johnson can’t get past the line up because he's too busy fighting with his girlfriend.
While Khan revs his harley outside to scare everyone, Sanguinius tries to take on Horus who bitch slaps him to the ground. With all the noise and racket going on, the Emperor gets off the net (where he’s been trying to block spammers all night) and comes downstairs to sort the mess out. Dorn comes out of the coat check mouthing off at everyone.
Horus and the Emperor beat each other up until Horus passes out. Just then El’Johnson sneaks in with fake I.D. and Gulliman finally shows up with most of his Facebook friends (He has over 100 000). Russ shows up but is too drunk to fight.
Angron, Fulgrim et. al grab Horus’ limp body and make a run for the dance club down the street, vowing revenge. Alpharius stays behind in a washroom stall with a trench coat and sunglasses to beat up unsuspecting patrons.
Gulliman and Dorn put the Emperor in his lazyboy upstairs hoping he’ll wake up sooner or later. Gulliman takes temporary management of the bar and institutes a smoking ban and can’t serve to minors anymore rule. He also creates a more standard menu consisting of only meat products. Eldar, Orks and Tau are still banned.
lol. This is so accurate I decided to stop reading when I'd got to where I am in the series. Hilarious though it is.
mindfield wrote:Thats what you get when you have 20 boys and they all have ego's as large as planets
methinks Horus' ego was the size of six galaxies personally
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So the Horus Heresy was 'just' the greatest pub brawl in history?
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