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On pg.28 of the rule book it states "Models that shoot with rapid fire weapons in the Shooting phase cannot assault into close combat in the ensuing Assault phase." Now does this mean if you used rapid fire you cannot assault or does it mean just by having a rapid fire weapon you cannot assault even after firing just one shot while not using rapid fire? Whew!

If you FIRE a rapid fire weapon (weapon type: rapid fire) you may not assault, unless you have Relentless / other permission to assault akin to relentless.

If you fire a rapid fire weapon and you are <12" from the target, you WILL fire 2 shots - you have NO CHOICE in the matter . You do not "rapid fire" a bolter, you fire a bolter which is weapon type: rapid fire. Same as you dont Assault a heavy flamer or Heavy a lascannon.

I think that nos summed it up perfectly.

So in other words if you have rapid fire weapons you don't fire during the shooting phase if you plan on assaulting in the assaulting phase.

Right. Bolters are a no-no. Meltas are good, flamers are good, bolt pistols are good, however, plasmaguns are right out, and so on.

Exceptions to this would be relentless things such as Terminators or Vehicles.

Typically, if you're that assault heavy, you usually don't WANT to fire everything into your enemy, lest he remove all the front things in his unit as casualties such that you can't assault him in the assault phase. It's a balancing act, but you're usually better off.

Keezers wrote:So in other words if you have rapid fire weapons you don't fire during the shooting phase if you plan on assaulting in the assaulting phase.

You got it. Unless you are relentless or have anotgher rule allowing it, firing RF weapons prevents you frmo then assaulting.

Ok thank you for your help its a newbie question I know but thats for getting me straight on it.

Keezers wrote:So in other words if you have rapid fire weapons you don't fire during the shooting phase if you plan on assaulting in the assaulting phase.

Just to be clear, you can choose which models shoot. And, it's only if a rapid fire weapon shoots that you can't assault.

So, if you have a squad with mixed weaponry, feel free to shoot your pistols and assault weapons from the squad. It's only the models with only a rapid fire weapon that have to sit by and watch their friends shoot.

No worries - unfortunately a few people think "rapid fire" is an action you have control over, when it is just a weapon type

There DID used to be a time back in third where you could fire a single shot with a bolter type weapon and then assault, but that's been removed in 4th and 5th.

...and that's part of why SM now come standard with Bolt Pistols as well as their bolters. So they can still take a single shot (with the pistol) and assault.

As a new player had a friend struggling with this because of playing against space wolves where the grey hunters had the option of bolt pistol and charge or double tap bolter and not charge. So maybe that is where the one shot and charge is coming from, but as stated firing a rapid fire weapon means no assualting that turn.