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Hey dakka,

I ask this because over the course of a year I have been picking things of of ebay here and there with the intention of playing warhammer at some point (lol check my dakka swap thread as that accounts for 0nly 40 percent of what I picked up in the past year. This has not come to pass as I have been busy work, life, etc... (although I have assembling a decent 40k ork army in the little free time that I have had).

So I am sick of waiting for the time I never have and I have a good sum of cash so I was going to get some unusual commission work to help me clean and assemble two armies, orcs n goblins and my favorite, Wood Elves. From what I have read, these poor fellas have gotten "boned" in the new ed. rulebook as their book is a bit "outdated" to say the least.

Though recently, I have also read that the tomb kings book is next up for an upgrade and possbily followed by ogres and then Wood Elves a couple more down from that. So, based on that information, and wanting to have an army with models up to their most current form I ask:

Should I go ahead and get this army going, or wait until their army book gets updated? Should i continue to hoard these models on ebay or look to get rid of some units before they become oop? I'm sure not all of them will go oop, but what if any would (speculating of course).

An as always, thanks for the input DAkka

It's hard to speculate about WE- no one really knows. TK are coming in a few months (GW is emailing sneak peaks) and Ogres could be on the horizon. But WE just became outdated less than a year ago rules-wise, and so I personally can't believe they're coming soon.

I would operate as if they are not. If you want to make a WE force, imo things won't be changing for them quickly. But that would beg the question of why you wish to start them now, with how tough they are to run in 8th edition! It could cause a world of frustration for you, especially as a new player.

O&G would be where I would put your efforts, as they just got a book and you know exactly what you have to work with. There rules won't be changing for a long time... although perhaps they will get a second wave of models, as many new-book armies do.

I say go for it, the main WE models like Glade Guard, Dyrads, and Eternal Guard are great models. The only one i see getting redone in a new release is the eternal guard. IMHO they will be made plastic. I would not splurge on treekin if i were you because i see them being made into new plastic box sets like the River Trolls IIRC. Other than that, the wood elves have some great looking heroes and special/rare models. If the army is given justice and painted well they will turn out great.

Even if you are going after some opp WE models they look good too. I just came across a Skaw The Falconeer model and am amazed with the detail (plus my FLGS is going to let me use his rules in games.)

If you chose to go with O&G i would deffiently wat for the second wave of models. There is no need to buy 200 orc boys when they are all going to get replaced.

Wood Elves are frustrating to play in 8th if you enter games with the expectation of victory. I was 45-1 with my Vampire Counts before switching to WE. I am 6-3 So far, but this whole losing thing is kinda new to me. I guess my main advice to you is that you know what you are getting into. For a competitive WE army you will need to invest in their metal models. You will need to know all your special rules and how to exploit them. You will also need to know what your enemies units do. So if you want a fun underdog army you should go with WE. If you want an Ardboyz 1st place winning army you should use O&G, DOC, HE, or VC.

I hope that helps.

Well as someone who loves Ogres, my first army. If it were up to me I would give up our turn in line for a new army book to Wood Elves. 8th has given us strength and hurt the Wood Elves so I think the right thing to do would be to give WE some love (actually they should have let WE and Ogres go before Orcs and Goblins but whatever).

Wood Elves are even worse off than my Beastmen, which is saying a lot.

They are beautiful models and I've collected and painted them just for that. I look forward to the day when I can field them as an army and not as a joke

thanks for the feedback everyone!!! I felt lonely there for a second hehe...

RiTides wrote:

But that would beg the question of why you wish to start them now, with how tough they are to run in 8th edition! It could cause a world of frustration for you, especially as a new player.

O&G would be where I would put your efforts, as they just got a book and you know exactly what you have to work with. There rules won't be changing for a long time... although perhaps they will get a second wave of models, as many new-book armies do.

I agree RiTides, it definately has the potential to frustrating as a newb but I'm just playing the game for fun and I love to be the underdog. I think I will stick to your advice and keep on keepin on with my OnG to have a leg up if the WE's get on my nerves.

UNREALPwnage wrote:I say go for it, the main WE models like Glade Guard, Dyrads, and Eternal Guard are great models. The only one i see getting redone in a new release is the eternal guard. IMHO they will be made plastic. I would not splurge on treekin if i were you because i see them being made into new plastic box sets like the River Trolls IIRC. Other than that, the wood elves have some great looking heroes and special/rare models. If the army is given justice and painted well they will turn out great.

Even if you are going after some opp WE models they look good too. I just came across a Skaw The Falconeer model and am amazed with the detail (plus my FLGS is going to let me use his rules in games...

I hope that helps...

It certainly does Unreal, the models are really appealing and there is just something about a lord on top of an albino stag charging headlong into some chaos nights that makes it all worth while, even if he gets decimated shortly afterwards. I will keep my treekin budgy low then and keep an eye out for some plastics... I wonder if they will do the same to wild riders? Probably not as GW needs a money maker!


Oh and I'm jealous of your skaw, haven't been able to find him for under 30 bucks yet.. sigh

Hargus56 wrote:Well as someone who loves Ogres, my first army. If it were up to me I would give up our turn in line for a new army book to Wood Elves. 8th has given us strength and hurt the Wood Elves so I think the right thing to do would be to give WE some love (actually they should have let WE and Ogres go before Orcs and Goblins but whatever).

I would be curious to know more about Ogres, as I have never even seen them in action before, my last battle being when the Lizardmen had full metal slaan...

Karon wrote:Wood Elves are even worse off than my Beastmen, which is saying a lot.

I feel for the beasties too, and I don't think they're going to get updated anytime soon...

lunarman wrote:They are beautiful models and I've collected and painted them just for that. I look forward to the day when I can field them as an army and not as a joke

Well put all around, I guess these posts really says something as to what people expect from a game of warhammer. Winning in balance with enjoying the game. But I think that losing knowing that the odds are against you doesn't seem to hurt so bad while a victory amidst the same odds just make it that much sweeter.


Some of you also posted that to wait for the second wave of models to come and I'm not exactly sure how that goes. I understand that it's a second wave but is there some predictability to when they come out?

The second wave usually comes out one year after the original release if I remember correctly.

Nope, they aren't going to get updated for another 3 years minimum, which is the bad part.

Karon wrote:Nope, they aren't going to get updated for another 3 years minimum, which is the bad part.

Ouch, 3 years? What makes you come to that conclusion?

3-4 years is about the lag time between new editions. and hence army updates.



If you wish to know more about Ogres i can give you a run down.



Biggest advantages:

Monsterous infantry. the 2nd rank of all units get to fight with 3 attacks. thats 18 attacks coming from a unit with a single rank(6 ogres in 3x2)

Stomp. a single hit at ASL in combat for every ogre in base to base. only works against Infantry and warbeasts, but those things are usually wounded on 3+ and its an easy extra wound.

Gutmagic: ogre magic is deceptive in it's power. most of the spells involve increasing your units toughness, str, or giving them Regeneration. the spells can be stacked over multiple turns so you can get up to T10 potentially. the spells are also really easy to cast.

Characters. all ogre characters are beasts. 4-5 wounds and can take magic items to make themselves tough to kill. T5 base means most core units will be wounding on 6s(5+ at best)


bad things:

Ogres lack varity in their book and there are alot of needless restrictions. in order to get a Scraplauncher you must take a unit of Gnoblars. you can't have more units of Gnoblars the Ogre Bulls. you have to take at LEAST 1 unit of Ogre bulls.

some of the more interesting units are horrible on the table. Yhettees got their biggest advantage removed in 8th. Maneaters are too freakin expensive for what you get. Leadbeltchers are ok, but the investment is too much for the risk.

Hmmm ogres, OGRES!!!!!!!!!! they sound pretty nasty!

3 years is a long time.............but maybe I can get my army assembled by then hehe...

they are cheaper then other armies to get started.

you can get a 2k list(with upgrades) out of 2 battalion boxs(if you make 4 of the leadbeltchers into Bulls and 4 into characters)

add in a couple of additional boxs of Bulls and a scraplauncher or 2 and you're set.