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If 10 marines are firing at an enemy, 8 of the marines are in rapid-fire range and 2 aren't, does the whole squad fire with rapid-fire, or only the ones in range?

You have to declare if you're rapid firing or not before you shoot.

So, if I declare I'm rapid-firing...

You declare which models are shooting (and which weapon they are using) and which aren't.

You then measure distance. If outside maximum range, they auto-miss. If inside rapid fire range (and they are firing a rapid fire weapon) they get two shots.

So, in your example, 8 Marines would fire twice and 2 would fire once. A total of 18 shots.


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Phototoxin wrote:You have to declare if you're rapid firing or not before you shoot.

Not true. In fact, you can't declare if you are rapid firing. You simply declare you are firing and then determine how many shots that equates to.

Only the models in range can fire. If you haven't moved, the others can fire the single shot however.

Phototoxin wrote:You have to declare if you're rapid firing or not before you shoot.

There is no such thing as 'rapid firing'. You don't 'rapid fire' a boltgun any more than you 'heavy' a lasgun.

Rapid Fire is a class of weapon, not a mode of fire. There is no requirement to declare a number of shots. If the target is within 12", you fire two shots. If the target is between 12" and the max range of the weapon, you fire one shot.

Phototoxin wrote:You have to declare if you're rapid firing or not before you shoot.

Incorrect

You never "Rapid Fire" a weapon in 40k 5th edition. You fire a "rapid fire" weapon, and depending on what range you are at determines whether you fire 1, 2 or no shots

If you moved, and some of your mdoels are outside of 12", the ones outside of 12" fire no shots as they are out of range
If you are stationary, and are further than 12" away, you fire 1 shot. Those inside fire 2 shots.

Am I thinking of a different edition here? I presume that the marines are using Bolters right?

Bolters are a Rapid Fire weapon. If you haven't moved that squad you may choose to shoot once at 24'' or twice at 12'' (or a mix of the two depending on the range of the target).

If you have moved then you may shoot twice up to 12''. Regardless of what you choose you are firing a Rapid Fire weapon, there is no choosing to Rapid Fire or not. Any restrictions that are then placed due to firing a Rapid Fire weapon take effect, like no assault.

-Yad


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Damn, a lot happens in the space of a refresh

You do NOT CHOOSE how many shots. Whether you moved and the range you are from the target are the only factors in the number of shots you fire.

3rd ed let you choose.

OK, good, I thought there was something odd about the idea of having to declare rapid-fire...

nosferatu1001 wrote:You do NOT CHOOSE how many shots. Whether you moved and the range you are from the target are the only factors in the number of shots you fire.

3rd ed let you choose.

Purely academic; but in third you still had no choice. It was 1 shot to full range, or 2 shots out to 12" if you stood still; or 1 shot at up to 12" if you moved, and you could assault afterward.

First or second edition may have had a choice, I do not know.

As you say, it's academic now, but as long as we're niggling over little details...

In 3rd you could only fire a Rapid Fire weapon once if you moved, but you did have a choice if you hadn't moved in the movement phase. You could then choose to fire one shot if you wanted to be able to assault. That was the edition I started with, and played my first 200-odd league and tournament games in.

Scarey Nerd wrote:OK, good, I thought there was something odd about the idea of having to declare rapid-fire...

For your reference, pg 28, third paragraph tells you what to do when some are in 12" and some are not.

If you are relentless do you fire 2 shots if within 12" then ?


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I mean if you moved

Or 1 shot up 24".

Technically, you can 'choose' to fire your bolt pistol instead of bolters if you are within 12", which would give you 1 shot + assaulting later. However, you are choosing to fire a different weapon, not single shotting the bolter...of course, the end result is the same.