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http://www.adepticon.org/10rules/2010cp.pdf

Ok so I was thinking of bring 5 eldar pathfinders in combat patrol now there normal save is 5+ but when they are upgraded they get 2+ save in cover. Does this break the rules for combat patrol as the model it self has no 2+ but i can move it into cover to have it. Also if i where to take jetbikes in the rules it says i can give up to 3 guys universal rules could i give one of the jetbikes stealth so when it turbo boost it would be a 2+?

Given that the 2+ save is not integral to the model, I would say that you can feel free to bring it, and use the abilities as such. As an IG player, I can also gain a 2+ cover save by standing behind 4+ cover, and issuing a INcoming! order, and I would be shocked for someone to tell me that I can't do that.

If it's gained in game and not in the stat line then I cannot think of a reason for your opponent to be against it. Should be in the clear for that one!

CP only disallows 2+ ARMOUR saves.

A 2+ cover save is NOT an ARMOUR save.
A 2+ invulnerable is NOT an ARMOUR save.

You'll be fine.

Just watch out for those heavy flamers.

They should let you have them because then anything that has stealth could go to ground and get a 2+ cover save.

A space marine could take a techmarine or something with bolster defenses And go to ground in that and get a 2+.

Same with what ChrisWWII said guard get incoming. I don't think that anyone is going to tell you that your cover save is illegal.

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Chromedog. Does this mean I can legally take PAGK with 2++ into combat patrol?

Thats quite horrible.... Horribly awesome

I tried GK in CP once.

Ranges are much closer for most of the game, so the Shrouding doesn't offer as much protection to start with.

They die just as easily as SM to mass fire.

The major restrictions to CP are HQ choices with more than 2 wounds, armour and ordnance, and 2+ armour saves.

Other than that, cover saves are not mentioned at all.
Mind you, CP was written when the omnipresent 4+ cover save didn't yet exist.

chromedog wrote:
Mind you, CP was written when the omnipresent 4+ cover save didn't yet exist.

Combat Patrol came out years after 5th edition. Maybe you're thinking of Kill Team.

Combat patrol was in the 3rd ed rulebook. I still have this one.

Kill team was 4th ed. Still have this one, too. Of course, it's only in the BIG book, not the smaller one.

Kill team v2.1 was Battlemissions. Have a copy of this. Never used it. Was a gift.

To throw a wrench in everyone's argument:

The Adepticon rules state: "No model can have a 2+ save." It doesn't specify that this restriction is an armor save, cover save, invul save, or any other type of save.

So, it would seem even if you do have a 4+ cover save with a +2 to your cover, it would still only be a 3+.

Grakmar wrote:To throw a wrench in everyone's argument:

The Adepticon rules state: "No model can have a 2+ save." It doesn't specify that this restriction is an armor save, cover save, invul save, or any other type of save.

So, it would seem even if you do have a 4+ cover save with a +2 to your cover, it would still only be a 3+.

But those rules seem to apply to models that have an integral 2+ save, as they fall under the category of choosing an army. This seems to imply that as long as the model does not come WITH a 2+ save, you can field it. So, no Terminators, and no Shadowfields on your Archon. However, infantry models in 4+ cover who then use a special rules to boost their cover save to 2+? That's allowable.

There's nothing in the rules that suggest a cover save should be downgraded from a 2+ to a 3+.

So you're telling me I couldn't take necron Scarabs?

That is a tournament caveat on top of the actual rules.
It's common for tourneys to have their own house rules and at their events, THEY are the right one (and only at events where those TOs/that system is in play).

The actual rules banned no such thing.