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With units with multiple models it's simple enough to assault more than one unit (each model in coherency as you move each one, yep, got it! ).

But what about your single units like HiveTs, DPs, or even a Lone Wolf or IC initiating a Multiple Assault?

You declare an assault, and as you move you find that the contact with the closest model is such that your base also comes in contact with another enemy unit, either infantry or vehicle, especially, as a Monstrous Creature has such a large base.

Okay, this circumstance isn't likely with a 25mm based IC, but anything on a 40 or 60 carries a big footprint.

Yay or nay?

Nope. Single model units have to charge the closest model. They cannot initiate a multiple combat.

I think if you used the search function you may also have found similar threads before with the same answer...think I saw one this morning.

Lukus83 wrote:Nope. Single model units have to charge the closest model. They cannot initiate a multiple combat.

I don't see this in the RB, a single model cannot initiate a multiple assault. Care to cite a source?

Lukus83 wrote:I think if you used the search function you may also have found similar threads before with the same answer...think I saw one this morning.

There are many threads on Multiple Assaults, but none address this single model, IC/MC issue.

The 3 paragraphs on page 34 simply don't address it, directly. So, I'm here at YMDC to get some good argumentation on how it might or might not work, given the terms on page 34.

Brothererekose wrote:

Lukus83 wrote:Nope. Single model units have to charge the closest model. They cannot initiate a multiple combat.

I don't see this in the RB, a single model cannot initiate a multiple assault. Care to cite a source?

Sure, here you go:
pg. 34, second paragraph under "Assaulting Multiple Enemy Units"

"As usual the closest attacking model must be moved to contact the closest model in the enemy unit against which the assault was declared. Then remaning models can assault models belonging to other enemy units, .."

Emphasis mine. The first model moved does not have permission to assault any unit except the unit against which the assault was declared.

P.34 covers it, under moving assaulting models middle of paragraph 2.

"...start each assault by moving a single model from the assaulting unit. the model selected must be the closest to the enemy (going around impassible terrain, friendly models, and enemy models in units not being assaulted)"

you have to move a single model into contact and go around 'enemy models in units not being assaulted.'
This disallows you from moving 1 IC/MC into multiple assault.

DeathReaper wrote:P.34 covers it, under moving assaulting models middle of paragraph 2.

"...start each assault by moving a single model from the assaulting unit. the model selected must be the closest to the enemy (going around impassible terrain, friendly models, and enemy models in units not being assaulted)"

you have to move a single model into contact and go around 'enemy models in units not being assaulted.'
This disallows you from moving 1 IC/MC into multiple assault.

To clarify: it is a matter of the process of making first b2b contact in which you don't have permission to contact another unit, until the next step where a 2nd model would move up, engaging the other unit? Yes?

Yes BK, the next step specifically allows contact with a 2nd unit. and the first step specifically disallows contact with ' impassible terrain, friendly models, and enemy models in units not being assaulted'

Since you can not multi assault until the 2nd model the first can not contact any unit other than the one you declared an assault against.

Brothererekose wrote:There are many threads on Multiple Assaults, but none address this single model, IC/MC issue.

There have been at least 3 in the last week or so... but the search function is admittedly still a little buggy.

Essentially, this boils down to the assault process just not making it possible. As has been pointed out, the assault process requires you to declare an assault against a single enemy unit. You then move the first model of your assaulting unit into base contact with that unit. You are explicitly forbidden from contacting enemy units that are not being assaulted.

It's only when you move the second model in the unit that the Multiple Assaults rule kicks in, and you are now allowed to contact any enemy model in range, provided that you maintain coherency and follow the others assault steps.

insaniak wrote:

Brothererekose wrote:There are many threads on Multiple Assaults, but none address this single model, IC/MC issue.

There have been at least 3 in the last week or so... but the search function is admittedly still a little buggy.

I got one on vehicles & infantry another consolidation issues and others, but none addressed Single model assaults. I checked, Insaniak.

insaniak wrote:Essentially, this boils down to the assault process just not making it possible. As has been pointed out, the assault process requires you to declare an assault against a single enemy unit. You then move the first model of your assaulting unit into base contact with that unit. You are explicitly forbidden from contacting enemy units that are not being assaulted.
It's only when you move the second model in the unit that the Multiple Assaults rule kicks in, and you are now allowed to contact any enemy model in range, provided that you maintain coherency and follow the others assault steps.

I need to get the camera, shoot the situation, download and show something ... shortly.

Since you have to go the shortest path possible, you will never be able to get into BtB with two units by the shortest path possible. As soon as you try, there will always be a shorter path which will allow you to reach one of the models without touching the other.

Brothererekose wrote:I got one on vehicles & infantry another consolidation issues and others, but none addressed Single model assaults. I checked, Insaniak.

It's not a problem. So long as there aren't multiple threads all clogging up the front page, we're not getting too stressed about duplicate topics while the search function is so borked.

insaniak wrote:

Brothererekose wrote:I got one on vehicles & infantry another consolidation issues and others, but none addressed Single model assaults. I checked, Insaniak.

It's not a problem. So long as there aren't multiple threads all clogging up the front page, we're not getting too stressed about duplicate topics while the search function is so borked.

I believe the correct response is , "Cheers." We fat-Americans aren't always up on the current social graces .
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This shows a dread hoping to assault the Dire Avengers and the Fire Dragons. With the building on its right, limiting its line of attack, it'll end up in b2b with the FDs as it declares assault on the DAs. The dice show the Difficult Terrain roll.



The way I'm seeing it:



a. According to what you guys are telling me, is that this would not be allowed, as coming within 1" of the FD, the dread breaks the rule sequence on page 34, correct?
b. How then would this situation resolve? Declare 'wobbly model' on the dread as it half steps into the building so it can assault the DAs and be 1" away from the FD?

Not allowed. You did not take the shortest path to the orange model so you cannot assault him as your first model. You may have taken the shortest path to the purple model, but you didn't avoid units you were not assaulting.

If you intended to assault the orange model you would have had to take the shortest path which would put you out of range of the purple model.

If you intended to assault the purple model you would have had to avoid being in BtB with the orange model.

If you cannot get into BtB with the purple model because the space is not large enough due to the ruins and the enemy model, then your assault fails. You can't assault between enemy models if there is not enough space to not touch them, you cannot assault between terrain and enemy models if there is not space. So find a way to touch the purple model and not touch the orange model, or the assault fails because of terrain.

If your opponent allowed you to declare wobble model, and accept there is .00000001 of an inch between the dred and the orange guy, that is an acceptable solution if he agreed. But that assumes you guys declared all terrain as passable.

Brothererekose wrote:a. According to what you guys are telling me, is that this would not be allowed, as coming within 1" of the FD, the dread breaks the rule sequence on page 34, correct?

You're allowed to move within 1" (the assault rules specifically over-ride the normal 1" movement restriction), just not into base contact with models from a unit you're not assaulting.

b. How then would this situation resolve? Declare 'wobbly model' on the dread as it half steps into the building so it can assault the DAs and be 1" away from the FD?

If the 'building' is (as it appears to be) Ruins, and thus area terrain, if the assault is declared on the purple unit the dread would have to move through the Ruin in order to assault without contacting the orange unit.
If the assault is declared on the orange unit, the dread would have to move by the shortest route, thus not getting into contact with the purple unit.