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So, as I take it as the rules state, and any unsaved wound caused by a force weapon can turn into instant death if the psyker passes a psychic test (leadership test). So, that means that all saving throws, ignore pain, regeneration and so forth would be taken first, then after all that is said and done if any wound actually stick, then you take the test for instant death?

a force weapon is a power weapon that causes instant death on an unsaved wound. the model being attack gets an inv save if it has one. if not its dead. no regeneration as that takes place at the end of the turn

No FNP either since it ignores that as well, being a power weapon. Also note it doesn't matter the toughness of the model it hit as well. Only Eternal Warrior straight up negates it.

Kevin949 wrote:No FNP either since it ignores that as well, being a power weapon. Also note it doesn't matter the toughness of the model it hit as well. Only Eternal Warrior straight up negates it.

I got several things in my army that feel no pain and are eternal warriors. So since EW does in fact negate all instant death I assume wounds taken from a force weapon are just taken as normal wounds?

Sanguinius1385 wrote:a force weapon is a power weapon that causes instant death on an unsaved wound. the model being attack gets an inv save if it has one. if not its dead. no regeneration as that takes place at the end of the turn

But what if you do this to a Necron Lord with resurrection orb?

MadGretchin wrote:

Sanguinius1385 wrote:a force weapon is a power weapon that causes instant death on an unsaved wound. the model being attack gets an inv save if it has one. if not its dead. no regeneration as that takes place at the end of the turn

But what if you do this to a Necron Lord with resurrection orb?

He is reduced to zero wounds and counted as downed, to attempt WBB at the start of the next turn. Same as anything else that causes instant death

Crom wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:No FNP either since it ignores that as well, being a power weapon. Also note it doesn't matter the toughness of the model it hit as well. Only Eternal Warrior straight up negates it.

I got several things in my army that feel no pain and are eternal warriors. So since EW does in fact negate all instant death I assume wounds taken from a force weapon are just taken as normal wounds?

Yes, but it dosen't change the fact its a Powered Weapon so no Armor Saves or FNP.

Noir wrote:

Crom wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:No FNP either since it ignores that as well, being a power weapon. Also note it doesn't matter the toughness of the model it hit as well. Only Eternal Warrior straight up negates it.

I got several things in my army that feel no pain and are eternal warriors. So since EW does in fact negate all instant death I assume wounds taken from a force weapon are just taken as normal wounds?

Yes, but it dosen't change the fact its a Powered Weapon so no Armor Saves or FNP.

ah gotcha, so only invulnerable saves

Crom wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:No FNP either since it ignores that as well, being a power weapon. Also note it doesn't matter the toughness of the model it hit as well. Only Eternal Warrior straight up negates it.

I got several things in my army that feel no pain and are eternal warriors. So since EW does in fact negate all instant death I assume wounds taken from a force weapon are just taken as normal wounds?

As stated above, EW only prevents him from dying outright, it doesn't negate the other effects of a force/power weapon.

MadGretchin wrote:

Sanguinius1385 wrote:a force weapon is a power weapon that causes instant death on an unsaved wound. the model being attack gets an inv save if it has one. if not its dead. no regeneration as that takes place at the end of the turn

But what if you do this to a Necron Lord with resurrection orb?

If the force weapon says "remove from play" then he's gone regardless of res orb. If it simply says "is killed regardless of wounds left" then he is just downed and awaiting WBB.

The force weapons do NOT say "remove from play" - it is either the DH "slain outright", whcih bypasses Eternal Warrior, or "causes instant death" which EW ignores. In either case you would be removing the Lord as a Casaulty, meaning WBB kicks in.

force weaps are power weps and if ther is an unsaved wound a pysker can do a pysk test and if he passes he causes insta def on his target

Noir wrote:

Crom wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:No FNP either since it ignores that as well, being a power weapon. Also note it doesn't matter the toughness of the model it hit as well. Only Eternal Warrior straight up negates it.

I got several things in my army that feel no pain and are eternal warriors. So since EW does in fact negate all instant death I assume wounds taken from a force weapon are just taken as normal wounds?

Yes, but it dosen't change the fact its a Powered Weapon so no Armor Saves or FNP.

For the record, the answer is "no". If a unit has FNP and EW, anything that causes Instant Death WOULD ignore FNP, as the rules for FNP specifically state EW doesn't suddenly cancel out the restriction.

Of course, as has been said many times, powerweapons already don't allow FNP.

Just remember, if said Force Weapon wielding psyker already used all the powers that turn they are allowed to use, they can't use the Force weapon for the death, as it is counted as a psychic power.

They can, however, still use it as a power weapon.

OK so feel no pain says anything that causes instant death or no armor save cannot be ignored, and eternal warrior just says immune to instant death. So, if my character gets blasted with say a psyker power that causes wounds with no amror save, I would only get to save if that character has an invulnerable save. Since the invulnerable save rules state you can save against anything, even wounds caused by something that disallows armor saves.

So, if I get struck with a force weapon, and it causes a wound (with a psyker using it as a force weapon), and I don't have an invulnerable save so I take it, but I have Eternal Warrior I do not die, I just take that one wound.

Unless it is a special force weapon that says "remove from play" or states that it ignores Eternal Warrior.

...which is what Grey Knights have in their old codex, but I expect are going away in the new book.

Theyve gone away, but they now have persistent effects against anything not killed outright by their Nemesis weapons, even if you didnt get the Force weapon ability off....

nosferatu1001 wrote:Theyve gone away, but they now have persistent effects against anything not killed outright by their Nemesis weapons, even if you didnt get the Force weapon ability off....

Just saw the book only Deamon and Psyker are effect by that ability.

Been sitting down trying to list build - 18 model 1500 point army, designed to win big or go home

Most abilities in there are psyker / daemon only - quite a nice way of giving them anti-daemon without it just being ONLY daemon. And wow do you pay for everything in that book!