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Just one quick question... Due to strangely written rules, I got confused...
Can lith move only 6" or is he normal skimmer?

it is a skimmer which can only move 6".

Also, if it is immobilised it doesn't crash like normal skimmers, it just settles on the ground.

Exactly what is so hard about the way in which it is written?

Praxiss wrote:it is a skimmer which can only move 6".

Also, if it is immobilised it doesn't crash like normal skimmers, it just settles on the ground.

[engage pedantic mode] A normal skimmer only crashes (and becomes wrecked) if it is immobilised after moving flat out in its last turn. If it did not move flat out an immobilised result will not cause the skimmer to become wrecked.

OK, so i'ts a skimmer that can only move 6". Ignore my other statement.

Well, it was just the way it was written, that it is a skimmer that can move 6'' and remain totally stationary... And then that crash thing... It didn't say that it can move 6'' OR remain stationary, and the rest of the rule looked like it just negates old drawback of skimmers in some old edition... nvm...

Thx for quick answer

'[engage pedantic mode] A normal skimmer only crashes (and becomes wrecked) if it is immobilised after moving flat out in its last turn. If it did not move flat out an immobilised result will not cause the skimmer to become wrecked. '

Disengage Pedantic Mode.

Back in the dawn of prehistory when the codex was written (2nd Ed? or early 3rd? ) skimmers would drift randomly if shaken/stunned and crash and burn if immobilized, regardless of speed.

A lot of the codex text doesn't really apply to well any more as they've totally changed the rules several times.

The lith moves 6'' or less, always, but counts as cruising speed when deepstriking. As the Lith is 6'' across it makes hopping scenery without testing for immobilzation a bit problematical..

Yeah, I got a look at a 4th edition rule book (I played one game of 4th years ago!) and in 4th any immobilized result caused a skimmer to crash. And then depending on how fast you were going or what you were over crashing had different effects.

kmdl1066 wrote:

Praxiss wrote:it is a skimmer which can only move 6".

Also, if it is immobilised it doesn't crash like normal skimmers, it just settles on the ground.

[engage pedantic mode] A normal skimmer only crashes (and becomes wrecked) if it is immobilised after moving flat out in its last turn. If it did not move flat out an immobilised result will not cause the skimmer to become wrecked.

Note: in its last turn refers to player turn, not game turn. If immobilized by enemy shooting it will not crash.

kill dem stunties wrote:

kmdl1066 wrote:

Praxiss wrote:it is a skimmer which can only move 6".

Also, if it is immobilised it doesn't crash like normal skimmers, it just settles on the ground.

[engage pedantic mode] A normal skimmer only crashes (and becomes wrecked) if it is immobilised after moving flat out in its last turn. If it did not move flat out an immobilised result will not cause the skimmer to become wrecked.

Note: in its last turn refers to player turn, not game turn. If immobilized by enemy shooting it will not crash.

"Q: If a skimmer is immobilised in its own Movement phase
whilst moving flat out is it still destroyed? (p71)
A: Yes."

Emphasis mine, but this seems to imply that it would be either turn. Also, unless the book says PLAYER turn, then "turn" and "game turn" are used interchangeably. which I believe is also stated near the front of the rule book.

The book says if the word turn is used, it is meant to be player turn unless specifically noted otherwise.

Not destroyed by being immobilized in the enemy shooting phase.

The wording in the BRB tells you that the skimmer is destroyed if it is immobilised if it moved flat out in its last turn. The FAQ clarifies that if the skiimmer is somehow immobilized during the player turn in which it moved flat out it is destroyed.

Move flat out, get immobilized before your next movement phase, the skimmer is destroyed.

Not that you can move the Lith flat out anyway, so it's irrelevant to the post, but for skimmers in general it gets important.

Except that the BRB says that any time the word turn is used, it is to mean PLAYER TURN, unless it specifically says game turn, which it DOES NOT.

Kill dem stunties, please go look at the rulebook. It's perfectly clear on this. If a skimmer moves flat out, and then gets immobilized in the subsequent opponent's turn, it crashes and is destroyed.

The bit you're probably thinking about where the unspecified "turn" is used, and flat out is concerned, is passengers being able to get out and dying; which only happens on your own turn.