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The codex says that Commanders and Chaplains joined to a Command squad can't leave it. But it also says that they don't stop being independent characters for the purpose of assault.

Does that second clause sufficiently override the main rules since it's specific to Black Templar characters?

DarknessEternal wrote:The codex says that Commanders and Chaplains joined to a Command squad can't leave it. But it also says that they don't stop being independent characters for the purpose of assault.

Does that second clause sufficiently override the main rules since it's specific to Black Templar characters?

What rule would it override? It simply seems to be an explanation that they aren't a retinue so the IC's can be picked out in CC.

Black Templars are the last codex that can have a command squad retinues.

For a single HQ slot you may take a Commander a command squad and a chaplain. Nether the commander or chaplain may leave the command squad as it counts as retinue for both of them.

You can also use both HQ slots and have that chaplain as an additional HQ choice; in this case he may join or leave as you require.

This works as normal with retinue rules: When shot at they count as an upgrade character and when fighting in close combat they count as a separate unit as normal.

Tri wrote:Black Templars are the last codex that can have a command squad retinues.

For a single HQ slot you may take a Commander a command squad and a chaplain. Nether the commander or chaplain may leave the command squad as it counts as retinue for both of them.

You can also use both HQ slots and have that chaplain as an additional HQ choice; in this case he may join or leave as you require.

With the caveat that the command squad can't have an "upgrade" Chaplain, as Chaplains aren't allowed to join other Chaplain's command squads.

Tri wrote:
This works as normal with retinue rules: When shot at they count as an upgrade character and when fighting in close combat they count as a separate unit as normal.

Well, that isn't how retinue rules work actually. With retinues, ICs stop being ICs all the time.

BT's override the normal Retinue rules as well. In other words, they have a specific rule that overrides the general rules, but the ultimate effect is to make BT command squads (ironically) similar to normal command squads (except that the BT ICs cannot leave it).

What I'm saying here is that BT ICs ALWAYS count as independent characters in assaults. This is normally true for all ICs except those in retinues (which almost don't exist now) however Black Templar retinues override this rule.

Sorry if that isn't 100% clear.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Tri wrote:
This works as normal with retinue rules: When shot at they count as an upgrade character and when fighting in close combat they count as a separate unit as normal.

Well, that isn't how retinue rules work actually. With retinues, ICs stop being ICs all the time.

... Gah, yep you're right that was how it was done in 4th; in 5th they don't (Can't think of any other retinues off the top of my head ... wonder if they'll be gone for 6th) ... but since BT have the rule written down that how they still work.

Mordrak....