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So I had a friendly little debate with a buddy of mine about the shooting phase, Do you have to declare all of your target at the very beginning of the shooting round or can you for example, Fire 1 blood strike missile, see if it misses and then fire another from a Storm Raven. I am under the impression that you can. Correct me if i am wrong folks.

Firstly you are describing two different situations.

You have to declare your target, and what you are shooting with, for each UNIT you shoot with, and this must be done before you shoot with that unit. You cannot fire 1 missile, see what happens, then fire another

You do NOT have to declare where each and every unit you are firing with is going to fire before any unit fires.

Why can't you wait for each, they are each different weapons on the storm raven and they are one shot missile? So basically the way your saying it, is I have to Choose how many I am firing and go from that?

Its to prevent you going "oh, i destroyed that tank with my multi melta, now I can shoot my assault cannon at that other squad over there". That's why you need to declare what youre firing all your weapons at. It's specifically worded this way in the machine spirit rule I think.

I am pretty much just trying to prevent wasting of Bloodstrike Missile. I am going to have to read over Power of the Machine spirit again so I make sure I am not screwing over my opponent.

Ahh but that's the point of the rule exactly! It's a calculated gamble as to whether you think you will need the missile to destroy the target youre aiming at.

Alastergrimm wrote:Why can't you wait for each, they are each different weapons on the storm raven and they are one shot missile? So basically the way your saying it, is I have to Choose how many I am firing and go from that?

Because the rules state, very clearly, that you need to declare whaty you are firing with BEFORE you can roll to hit, etc. Look at the sequence on page 15, and note that, at no point, can you go "back up" a step to step 2.

Nos has it right, you need to declare what target/targets and what weapons you are firing at each target/targets before you roll any dice.

I usually fire my TL Multi-Melta and 2 missiles at tanks and fire the TL Assault Cannon elsewhere. that way next turn I can do the same.

Yep, you have to declare shooting. The rules are designed to prevent exactly what you're trying to do.

read the rulebook!
You choose a unit and declare which unit your unit will be firing at before measuring range. ALL members of that unit and all weapons must be fired at the unit that has been declared as the target. After all shooting has been resolved the player may do the same with another of his units.
A pretty much basic representation fo the rules to show that what you are doign is not legal for 40k.

Alastergrimm wrote:I am pretty much just trying to prevent wasting of Bloodstrike Missile. I am going to have to read over Power of the Machine spirit again so I make sure I am not screwing over my opponent.

Sorry I am kind of new so if this sounds stupid thats why.

You do mean that for example if you wrecked a vehicle with the first missle, that the second would be wasted because you would be force to fire at it even though there really isn't a point to destroying it.

I am trying to verify thats a situation you mean. Because I was under the impression that if you Destroyed it with the first missle that the second would just not fire that turn. Or am I wrong and that missle still fires and is wasted?

My understanding is that yes it still fires and is wasted.

Remember that you might be resolving the effects of the missiles one after the other but you only get one opportunity to decide how many will be fired, and that is before you start resolving the effects of the first missile.

V - yes, you select what y ou are firing, then check range, roll to hit etc with ALL weapons

You dont find out it has destroyed the vehicle until after you have fired all the weapons you have chosen to fire.

Ah good point, unfortunatly everyone I play with is just as nubish as me, but that does make sense, we were declaring everything and then resolving hit/wound/ect.. per weapon...

I dont know in my oppinion that seems to make more sense, seeing as most vehicles aren't going to be firing all their weapons at the same time. It seemed to make sense to us to declare all first and then systematically fire and if the target was destoryed than any further declarations to that target were cancelled.

but i guess for that to be true then included in the shooting phase you would have to prioritize weapons, which is not done in the rulebook or codex. For logical sake I think something like that should be added.

But thanks for the info that will change some of the games we been playing....I am sure i would have wasted many more seeker missles.

The game is an abstraction. Deal with it.

Your method means games take much, much longer.

Damn guys, it was a simple question, nothing to start a war over. Taking it a bit over the top aren't ya?
It is still a game after all. All I was trying to figure out was if I could save on some one shot missiles, That is all. I am not trying to cheat the game, I am just a little inexperienced still.