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As I understand it from this discussion www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/352542.page, It is illegal to remove your Valk/SR from its base during the game to get it behind cover, or for any reason at all really, unless it's immobilized. My question is, can I modify the base by cutting down the cross shaped clear post so that it doesn't stick up as far? It's still on the base it comes with, but shorter.

technically, you have to use the base it comes with.


altering it would make it a different base so no you couldn't use it like that.


on the other hand, if you scratch built a stormraven you could have it on a base of choice.

The rules allow you to use modified bases, but only with your opponent's permission.

There is nothing in the rules to indicate that the flight stem should not be considered part of the base, and therefore covered by the same rule.


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Grey Templar wrote:on the other hand, if you scratch built a stormraven you could have it on a base of choice.

If you're scratchbuilding a model to fill in for an existing model, it should be on the same size base as the model it is replacing.

Exactly. Modifying the base would make the use of the model subject to opponent's permission. Or TO's discretion, if bringing it to a tournament.

If I were playing someone who asked permission, I'd have to make a judgement call on the spot, and try to gauge whether they were trying to Model For Advantage.

Since doing so is impractical from a tournament standpoint, if running a tournament, I would simply forbid the usage of variant stands for Valkyries or Stormravens, as their height is clearly intended by GW to be a factor.

That's what i thought too, just wanted some validation. thanks for the answers folks

If it were close and a kit bashed valk or raven...sure let it pass so long as it is within reason. If you start modding the base on the actual model then I would call the TO, not play you, or make you count it as higher. As a good gamer you should leave it on the standard base and play as is anyway. Heck when I play my orks and if i have the old tiny trukks I let my opponent draw LOS to get model I place in the back because of how short the old one is. This make so many opponents happy.

in the rule book on page 71 starting on line 15 including titles it states that all skimmers which a storm raven is (not sure on a valkerie) "note that a skimmer must be set down on the table and left in place at the end of it's move - it CANNOT be left in mid-air

actuall wording if anyone wishes to contest my claim feel free but i have the rulebook next to me :p

scotta29 wrote:in the rule book on page 71 starting on line 15 including titles it states that all skimmers which a storm raven is (not sure on a valkerie) "note that a skimmer must be set down on the table and left in place at the end of it's move - it CANNOT be left in mid-air

actuall wording if anyone wishes to contest my claim feel free but i have the rulebook next to me :p

Read whole paragraph, then it means you must beable tp place the Skimmer (that be the model and base, there the Skimmer unit) on the table or you can't move there.

scotta29 wrote:in the rule book on page 71 starting on line 15 including titles it states that all skimmers which a storm raven is (not sure on a valkerie) "note that a skimmer must be set down on the table and left in place at the end of it's move - it CANNOT be left in mid-air

actuall wording if anyone wishes to contest my claim feel free but i have the rulebook next to me :p

This is the third time you have posted this exact nonsense; and I have already shown you exactly why you are wrong(the answer is on the same page in shooting at skimmers).

scotta29 wrote:in the rule book on page 71 starting on line 15 including titles it states that all skimmers which a storm raven is (not sure on a valkerie) "note that a skimmer must be set down on the table and left in place at the end of it's move - it CANNOT be left in mid-air

actuall wording if anyone wishes to contest my claim feel free but i have the rulebook next to me :p

Er... what claim are you making? All you have done is post a piece of the rules.

One thing to note here is ask yourself why you want to cut down the base, if the reason is to gain cover by modeling for an advantage.. wellll.....

i was simply stating that it is possible in certian conditions to remove a skimmers base during play


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i never actualy said it could be used to gain cover

You can only remove the skimmer's base during play if it's destroyed or immobilized. As page 71 tells us.

scotta29 wrote:i was simply stating that it is possible in certian conditions to remove a skimmers base during play

Except that's not what the rule you quoted is saying. It's telling you to put the model down on the table, not to remove the model's base.

If you are supposed to remove the model's base every time you finish moving it, why would it even have a base? It would never actually do anything.

Also the Very next section on the page he quoted tells us very specifically that one can only remove the Flight stand/base if the skimmer is Immobilized/destroyed(and then only if possible).

right i was wrong but now i know and won't make the same mistake again (i hope )