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If i have a null rod wielded by a psyker:
-Can they still cast psychic powers?
-Can members of a unit they are attached to cast psychic powers?
-Does a null rod mean allow a psyker whose psychic power results in a perils of the warp ignore it?
-Does a null rod mean the members of a unit attached to a character with a null rod ignore perils of the warp?

Reference:
Grey Knights Codex Pg. 57 - Null Rod - A Null Rod is a power weapon. Any unsaved wounds caused by a Null Rod inflict Instant Death on Psykers. Furthermore, The bearer (and his squad) cannot be effected by psychic powers (friendly or enemy) in anyway.
BRB Pg. 50 - Psykers
FAQ Pg. 2 - Psykers - nothing at all related to perils of things that make units immune to psychic power.





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The null rod states that the unit cannot be affected by any psychic powers (friendly or enemy). Thus, i assume they couldn't use hammerhand to buff themselves or something to grant a cover save. However, it does not state you cannot use a psychic power(just that none affect you). Thus, I think you could cast a psychic shooting attack while having a null rod.

However, if you perils does that count as being effected by a psychic power? Iif so can you ignore it because of the null rod?

Also, if you cannot be affected by perils and because it is part of a psychic attack would you not be able to cast it?

Katfish! wrote:If i have a null rod wielded by a psyker:
-Can they still cast psychic powers?

Yes, although any effects the power has on them are nullified.

-Can members of a unit they are attached to cast psychic powers?

Yes, although once again, any effects the power has on them are nullified.

-Does a null rod mean allow a psyker whose psychic power results in a perils of the warp ignore it?

No, it's not the effect of a psychic power.

-Does a null rod mean the members of a unit attached to a character with a null rod ignore perils of the warp?

No, once again, it's not the effect of a psychic power.

The null rod states that the unit cannot be affected by any psychic powers (friendly or enemy). Thus, i assume they couldn't use hammerhand to buff themselves or something to grant a cover save. However, it does not state you cannot use a psychic power(just that none affect you). Thus, I think you could cast a psychic shooting attack while having a null rod.

Yes, you can.

However, if you perils does that count as being effected by a psychic power? Iif so can you ignore it because of the null rod?

No, you still suffer perils of the warp normally.

Also, if you cannot be affected by perils and because it is part of a psychic attack would you not be able to cast it?

Irrelevant, since you can suffer the effects of perils of the warp.

-Does a null rod mean allow a psyker whose psychic power results in a perils of the warp ignore it?

No, it's not the effect of a psychic power.

thank you for the quick reply! However,

first - The Null Rod does not state it make the unit immune to the effects of psychic powers. it DOES say that they cannot be affected in any way.

Second - Perils of the Warp is a direct effect of a psychic power. If i do not use a power I cannot Perils of the Warp.

Thus, does perils affect me? yes. Is it the result of a psychic power? yes. Would a null rod block the result of a psychic power? yes.

It's not the effect of a psychic power, it's the effect of a particular roll on a psychic test.

The effects of psychic powers are only those that are written in the text of that psychic power and take place when it is successfully cast. Perils is something that occurs when you roll something particular on a test, but that's not an effect of a psychic power. It's a result of a psychic test, but that's about the only similarity.

You're not affected by a psychic power when you roll double 1s or double 6s - you're affected by Perils of the Warp, and nothing says that Perils of the Warp is a psychic power.

Can you ever be affected by Perils of the Warp if you do not use a psychic power?

If not, how can you argue that perils in not an effect that can be caused by using a psychic power.

Perils is the direct result of failing a psychic test. taking the psychic test is a direct result of using a psychic power.

Katfish! wrote:Can you ever be affected by Perils of the Warp if you do not use a psychic power?

If not, how can you argue that perils in not an effect that can be caused by using a psychic power.

Perils is the direct result of failing a psychic test. taking the psychic test is a direct result of using a psychic power.

Becouse it not a psychic effect so the rod don't stop it.

Katfish! wrote:Can you ever be affected by Perils of the Warp if you do not use a psychic power?

If not, how can you argue that perils in not an effect that can be caused by using a psychic power.

Perils is the direct result of failing a psychic test. taking the psychic test is a direct result of using a psychic power.

sorry man but you got this totally backwards...read pg 50 of the BRB

no matter how a person interprets the rules there it clearly states that a psychic power is "described" in each codex that has them..."if" as you claim, perils of the warp is an effect of a psychic power then it would be in the description of the psychic power in which the BRB clearly tells you to look. now i like using psychic powers but i have yet to see one that indicates perils being part of a power. that being said only a ghost helm from eldar farseers can negate perils...so far.

Perils of the warp is not the effect of a psychic power, I know this because even if the Psychic power has no effect, on the roll of a 12, you still suffer a perils of the warp attack.

So even if you fail to cast a Psychic power a perils of the warp attack can still affect you.

The a perils of the warp attack is not a product of a psychic power.

If you want to have null rods block perils of the warp, then you also have to disallow taking psychic tests with the rod at all, since by your logic, the test itself is part of the psychic power.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Fafnir wrote:You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Funny enough the previous Null Rod (page 18, old DH codex) actually said you can't have the cake and eat it too. "However, the character with this item and the squad he is with may not use any psychic powers of their own."

Katfish! wrote:Can you ever be affected by Perils of the Warp if you do not use a psychic power?

If a PBS's overseer is dead, all models suffer perils of the warp attacks, even though only one of them uses the power.

Jidmah wrote:

If a PBS's overseer is dead, all models suffer perils of the warp attacks, even though only one of them uses the power.

that entry specifically states that they all use a psychic power but resolve the attack from one model.


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lliadon wrote:

sorry man but you got this totally backwards...read pg 50 of the BRB

no matter how a person interprets the rules there it clearly states that a psychic power is "described" in each codex that has them..."if" as you claim, perils of the warp is an effect of a psychic power then it would be in the description of the psychic power in which the BRB clearly tells you to look.

if you read the codex entries for psychic powers, they all say the power must use a psychic test. if you fail it follows the rules in the BRB because it describes failing psychic test there for everyone.


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Fafnir wrote:If you want to have null rods block perils of the warp, then you also have to disallow taking psychic tests with the rod at all, since by your logic, the test itself is part of the psychic power.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

I completely understand this as a rules interpretation and was my initial thought when i read the entry. However, it only states that the squad cannot be effected by the power, not that it cannot use them.


also, Thanks for all the replies everyone!

Katfish! wrote:

no matter how a person interprets the rules there it clearly states that a psychic power is "described" in each codex that has them..."if" as you claim, perils of the warp is an effect of a psychic power then it would be in the description of the psychic power in which the BRB clearly tells you to look.

if you read the codex entries for psychic powers, they all say the power must use a psychic test. if you fail it follows the rules in the BRB because it describes failing psychic test there for everyone.

Not all psychic powers involve psychic tests. Warlock powers, for example, do not require a psychic test.

A psychic test is something psykers use to attempt to activate a psychic power. Whether they successfully (1,1) or unsuccessfully (6,6) cast the power, Perils of the Warp may still result. As Deathreaper pointed out, you can still suffer Perils even if you FAILED to activate the power and the power has had no effect. So Perils cannot be an effect of a psychic power.

Perils is not an effect of a power.

Both perils and the power are effects of taking the psychic test (since taking the test causes the power or perils to occur).