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Hey guys, I am thinking of building this army and would like some critique. Thanks in advance!

HQ
Archon w/ Agoniser, Shadow field - 110
Hameon. w/ Liquifier, Shattershard - 75

Elites
5 Incubi w/ Raider (Flickerfield) - 180

Troops
5 Warriors (Blaster) w/ Raider (Flickerfield) - 130
5 Warriors (Blaster) w/ Raider (Flickerfield) - 130
5 Warriors (Blaster) w/ Raider (Flickerfield) - 130
5 Warriors (Blaster) w/ Raider (Flickerfield) - 130

Fast Attack
5 Beastmasters (6 Razorwing, 10 Khymerae) - 270

Heavy Support
3 Ravagers (Lances) - 315

Total - 1,500 on the nose.
14 Lances
4 Blasters


I changed a few things, added some more lances for more long range AT. The venoms I deemed slightly unnecessary at this point level. That being said I would definitely plan on adding a few more at higher pt levels. Probably filled with AT Trueborn. The idea here is that the very large BM squad is my major deathstar unit. It should be able to take down multiple squads of infantry and I believe it would work well as anti-horde as well. The Incubi are my other strong assault unit. I prefer them over wyches because they can survive being shot at with the 3+ and FNP. The Archon can also absorb some low AP hits with his Shadow Field. Shattershard and Liquifier are nice for hordes and give some versatility. I also trimmed down the KP, it still has 16 at 1,500 points. I am pretty happy with this list as it looks to be quite fun to play. But, I am sure it could use further tailoring.
Thanks!


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Nothing, really?

I think it looks solid, almost what i run at 2k i hope it will work out for you.

Well you've got solid AT and decent CC (though I only count 11 Darklances). So looks solid all round biggest question is why the barron with no Hellions? And why put him in the Beastmaster unit as you slow them both down? I'd also tend to put the flickerfields on the Ravagers before the raiders as they will be targetted sooner and are more precious.

FlingitNow wrote:Well you've got solid AT and decent CC (though I only count 11 Darklances). So looks solid all round biggest question is why the barron with no Hellions? And why put him in the Beastmaster unit as you slow them both down? I'd also tend to put the flickerfields on the Ravagers before the raiders as they will be targetted sooner and are more precious.

He joins beastmasters and give them stealth and then line then up for a charge then baron leaves for his own mission or a multi assult on the same unit and then they can fleet and move their full potential.

He joins beastmasters and give them stealth and then line then up for a charge then baron leaves for his own mission or a multi assult on the same unit and then they can fleet and move their full potential.

Meaning the baron is dead after that first assault and your unit no longer has stealth (though could now have FnP).

Meaning the baron is dead after that first assault and your unit no longer has stealth (though could now have FnP).

Yes he is probably dead but he has done his work and given you a good chance of getting first turn and stealth to the unit andmost likely killed something, its just beastmasters that get FnP not the beasts.

Your 3 man Trueborn squad should be 4 points more, because the whole squad has to be armed with Haywires.

At least I could have sworn you had to do all or none, but I could be wrong, I usually put my haywires on my wyches and max it out.

Yes he is probably dead but he has done his work and given you a good chance of getting first turn and stealth to the unit andmost likely killed something, its just beastmasters that get FnP not the beasts.

Yeah I know. Will the Baron have killed anything? He can't take anything on alone due to no power weapon. 5 S6 attacks sounds a lot but against MEQ he'll be lucky to cause more than 1 unsaved wound... I know he's cheap at 105 points but I just don't see him as a great synergy with Beastmasters. Thats a 300 point unit now and it will kill most things it hits but it will take reprisals and it will die quickly afterwards.

I cant agree with you my beastmaster unit usualy takes down 1 or 2 dedicated CC unit before dying its all in how you distribute wounds.

Galador is right about the Haywire grenades, it's all or none.

Also, why did you take 4 Beastmasters? You only need 2 to have the number of beasts you took.

Also, why didn't you take 4 Trueborn with blasters? Was it just ran out of points?

If haywire are all or none, I am dropping them.

No flickefields on the ravagers because I plan on running them behind everything else, thus giving them a cover save better than the 5+.

I run Baron for alpha strike, furthermore the cover boost and grenades. Read up dashofpeppers review of the Beastmaster unit, he goes into detail over it. That being said, I may drop him if I am unsatisfied with the results.

I do need 4 Beastmasters, 1 gives 2 Flocks, another gives 2 more flocks, 1 gives 5 Khymerae, 1 gives 2 Khymerae. Don't doubt this unit, it has 31 wounds, 7 have an invulnerable, 3+ cover saves. 60 something attacks.. many of which will still end up rending. I guarantee this unit will either heavily slow, or destroy other cc units.

I am only running 3 Trueborn because I ran out of points.

At 1750, i'll boost the Trueborn to 4, max the Khymerae, add a few more Incubi.

If I swap out Baron, I'll add an Archon with Agoniser and Shadowfield. He will ride with the Incubi, that will be a nice little counter-assault unit. I would just need to shave off like three pts.

^you don't need 4 beast masters for that, 1 Beastmaster can give you 2 flocks and 5 Khymerae, while the other gives you the other two flocks and Khymerae.

That will give you back 24 pts to use as you need.

Also remember, that any barrage weapons on the Ravagers negate the cover save from the other vehicles, so they could still be heart by Basilisks and the like, even with their screen.

You are wrong about beastmasters one master can only take ONE kind of beasts so he needs 4 beastmasters to make that squad.

I am willing to risk the barrage attacks on my vehicles.

You are still wrong about the beastmaster squad.

Archon vs. Baron? What do most people feel.

Baron everyday he is a vehicle killer on charge and provides stealth and that important 1st turn roll boost.

Skurk3n wrote:You are wrong about beastmasters one master can only take ONE kind of beasts so he needs 4 beastmasters to make that squad.

+1 this is correct

Wait, really? A beastmaster can't take multiple kinds of beasts?

Nope just one kind of beast to one beastmaster

Yeah 1 type of beast to a beastmaster.

I would support flickerfields on ravagers. They are super annoying to face, and against a smart or mobile opponents, believe me you will not be able to rely on a cover save from your other units. (I'm thinking of deep strikers, outflankers etc here)

I don't think the baron is a very economical HQ choice here, your plan for him and the beastmasters seems like you're paying a lot for stealth. The movement rules make moving those units together very restrictive.

Why doesn't the incubi ride have a flickerfield? If you are planning on zooming in flat out from reserve, than that's fine, otherwise I would call that a priority target.

I'd ditch the baron for some flickerfields, and either a webway portal, which makes the beasts far scarier, or bolstering some unit. Don't think you have enough points to buy any new unit.

I made some changes recently, I dropped the Trueborn. Changed all the venoms to Raiders. Added an Archon over the Baron. Put flickerfields on everything. Filled out the beastmaster squad.