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The main four powers of Chaos are Anger, Ecstacy, Mutatability, Mortality. (as stated in First Heretic) Nurgle represents Mortality and Tzeentch, Mutability. But when I see Nurgle, I think of mutablility also and when I view Tzeentch I see more of mysticism and scheming. It seems like for Tzeentch GW just randomly threw in mutation. Nurgle IMO seems like he should be the God of mutations looking at at his followers.
What do you think?

Nurgle's change is the stages of decay and once changed stay that way, while Tzeentche's mutations have no pattern or structure to it. It can be confusing because decay is really just a change in matter, so the line between decay and mutation is pretty thin.

Mr Nobody wrote:Nurgle's change is the stages of decay and once changed stay that way, while Tzeentche's mutations have no pattern or structure to it. It can be confusing because decay is really just a change in matter, so the line between decay and mutation is pretty thin.

you my friend, summed this up very well.

Tzeentch is the god of Hope...
Nurgle is Despair...
Khorne is Anger and Hatred...
Slannesh is Excess...

Nurgle keeps you from dieing, but your body slowly withers away. You "mutate" but it is more like little bits of you rot and die off very slowly.

Tzeench is more like an obsessive personality. You want thing to be different, so you are constantly changing things around you, planning, gaining power/magic. In return you are unable to hold onto anything permanent, like the shape of your body.

svendrex wrote:Nurgle keeps you from dieing, but your body slowly withers away. You "mutate" but it is more like little bits of you rot and die off very slowly.

Tzeench is more like an obsessive personality. You want thing to be different, so you are constantly changing things around you, planning, gaining power/magic. In return you are unable to hold onto anything permanent, like the shape of your body.

The only constant in the universe is change.

Mr Nobody wrote:
The only constant in the universe is change.

And entropy.

Coincidentally, Nurgle and Tzeentch are enemies.

I laways found that Tzeentch and Nurgle were alot more complicated and powerful than Khorne and Slaanesh. The rivalry between the two is also very interesting.

Nurgle and tzeentch enemies? Where is this from? I thought, going back a few codexes, was that khorne and tzeeentch were the antagonistic pair, with nurgle more opposed to slaanesh?

slaanesh revels in pleasures, khorne revels in inflicting pain and death. Slaanesh doesn't like that because that ends the excess.

Reanimator wrote:Nurgle and tzeentch enemies? Where is this from? I thought, going back a few codexes, was that khorne and tzeeentch were the antagonistic pair, with nurgle more opposed to slaanesh?

Nurgle incourage's apathy, while Tzeentch encourage's desperation and coniving. The emotions of Nurgle and Tzeentch are in opposition to each other.

I've always thought it would always make more sense for Khorne and Tzeentch to be enemies as Khorne is directly opposed to sorcery and their fighting styles are oposites (CC to ranged). Slaneesh opposed to Nurgle also would make sense as Slaneesh is about reveling in life and going to extremes while Nurgle is about wallowing in despair and doing nothing out of fear of death. The current oppositions make no sense to me.

I wouldn't say Tzeentch encourages despair. Despair is often said to lead to nurgle. Despair very representative of the Catholic concept of Tristitia, which is one of the original interpretations of the sin of Sloth, which today is closer to the definition of Apathy or Acedia.

Using this line of reasoning, Khorne would represent wrath or ira, and Slaanesh would be lust (luxuria), greed (avarice), and gluttony (gula). Tzeentch is a bit more complex... but envy (invidia, and the concept of schadenfreude) and pride (vanagloria, IE vainglory).

And to note, the counters to these are also evident in those who can resist their pulls. The counter virtue of wrath is patience, and a patient person can overcome their bloodlust and thus overcome Khorne's temptation. The counter virtues to Acedia and Tristitia are Diligence, as one who does their duty, persevering and refusing to give in to despair and thus to Nurgle's false familial pull. The counter virtues to lust, greed, and gluttony are chastity, charity, and temperance, things which are anathema to Slaanesh. This really only falls apart with Tzeentch, as the counter virtues to pride and envy are humility and kindness... but arguably these can also apply, as kindness between two people of opposing views would prevent them from feuding, and civil war is something Tzeentch desires.