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So I was playing a game against Dark Eldar today in ye olde store.

I had just cleaned up a squad of reaver jetbikes with my banshees, when a raider moved 12 inches towards them and declared rapid fire.

My first impulse was no you cannot do that, and we had a mini rules debate, but I couldn't find the correct passage in time, and every one in the store and the store owner agreed that he could indeed move 12 inches and rapid fire with his warriors.

I ultimately decided that it wasn't worth it to push the point and just chalked it up to "house rule", and due to some bad rolling on his part 4 banshees survived.

But it still bothers me a bit. Are you indeed restricted to "combat speed" if you want to rapid fire out of a raider, or do you get the whole 12 inches?

Can't move over 6 and fire, but he could of disembarked and then fired.

BRB page 66 3rd paragraph under 'Fire Points' says that models cannot fire from a vehicle that moved at cruising speed that turn.
They can't fire any weapons from the raider in this instance.
They could disembark and then fire rapid fire weapons twice.

It's 6 inches, like any other vehicle.
While i agree in principal that fast skimmers should allow embarked troops to fire while moveing 12", its not the case.
As for a page referance... my books too far away, but i'd have a look in the transport vehicles section at a guess.

ok cool

thats what I thought, but everyone at the store was against me and I felt kinda like a dick.

Its good to know that I was right though

Well next time you can site where they are wrong.

see thats the thing!

I pointed out the fire points rule in the book

Everybody said "that's for fire points, and Raiders are open topped so it doesn't apply."

to respond to this I basically said

"..."

threw my hands up in the air and said "whatever".

akaean wrote:ok cool

thats what I thought, but everyone at the store was against me and I felt kinda like a dick.

Its good to know that I was right though

If your sure your right, argue away, and once you find the rule in question in the book, you can be proven right.
I've had to argue against a large crowd during an Apoc game... to be honest it wasn't really worth the hassle having 20+ people including several staff argue against me, until i pointed to the paragraph i required and stunned them into silence. Oddly enough, i was arguing for the benefit of the other side.

akaean wrote:see thats the thing!

I pointed out the fire points rule in the book

Everybody said "that's for fire points, and Raiders are open topped so it doesn't apply."

to respond to this I basically said

"..."

threw my hands up in the air and said "whatever".

Then have them turn to the page that talks about Open-topped. It says those vehicles don't have "specific fire points", not that they don't follow the rules for fire points.

Exactly. If those rules didn't apply, then they could just as easily move 24" and still fire out. Point that out to them, and ask them where else it forbids shooting out while moving 24".

Mannahnin wrote:Exactly. If those rules didn't apply, then they could just as easily move 24" and still fire out. Point that out to them, and ask them where else it forbids shooting out while moving 24".

Why stop at 24" when the raiders can go so much faster?

edit: oh, and why care about any other limitations either, like the "counts as moving" that would prevent you from firing heavy weapons?

Actually if they disregard the rules for fire points they have NO rules for firing from vehicles at all, meaning they still couldnt fire - ever, in this case.

If you point this out to them I'm sure they will be happy to have the same limitation as everyone else in exchange from being able to ever fire....

I just want to know what page in the brb or dark eldar codex gave him the idea that he could move at cruising speed and shoot?

Azzedar101 wrote:I just want to know what page in the brb or dark eldar codex gave him the idea that he could move at cruising speed and shoot?

He probably looked at page 70, read the part that "...all passengers in an open-topped vehicle may fire..." while completely disregarding the 3rd paragraph under 'Fire Points' on page 66.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Actually if they disregard the rules for fire points they have NO rules for firing from vehicles at all, meaning they still couldnt fire - ever, in this case.

If you point this out to them I'm sure they will be happy to have the same limitation as everyone else in exchange from being able to ever fire....

+1

That's what i was going to say too