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I've done a search and the only thread that relates is over 3 months old, so to avoid Thread-romancy i'lll ask afresh...



Can a squad of Chosen CSM in a Rhino DT infiltrate? Or does the DT mean they can only Outflank?

Praxiss wrote:I've done a search and the only thread that relates is over 3 months old, so to avoid Thread-romancy i'lll ask afresh...



Can a squad of Chosen CSM in a Rhino DT infiltrate? Or does the DT mean they can only Outflank?

No. They may only outflank. And if they do outflank, they must do so embarked.

Praxiss wrote:I've done a search and the only thread that relates is over 3 months old, so to avoid Thread-romancy i'lll ask afresh...



Can a squad of Chosen CSM in a Rhino DT infiltrate? Or does the DT mean they can only Outflank?

IIRCC..You can still infiltrate if you purchase a rhino, however, the rhino cannot infiltrate with them and must deploy normally.

So it's a: infiltrate without your rhino, or outflank you can be in it, situation.

Someone correct me if my memory is remiss

As above.

You retain Scout, and confer that to the DT, meaning you can Outflank. You cannot Infiltrate with the rhino, however you can deploy the rhino and then infiltrate the chosen.

Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up.

puma713 wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Can a squad of Chosen CSM in a Rhino DT infiltrate? Or does the DT mean they can only Outflank?

No. They may only outflank. And if they do outflank, they must do so embarked.

ALMOST correct. I've been playing this exact way for a few years now, and just recently realized I was handicapping myself.

If you want the transport to outflank with you, you have to outflank embarked in it. HOWEVER, I just realized, on reading the Outflank rules again within the last week, that you can still deploy the transport normally or stick it in regular reserves if you want, and the squad can then outflank on foot. This can be very handy, but you have to make the decision at the time of deployment.

Why woudl you want to outflank a squad on foot and then deploy their DP elsewhere?

Because you want another unit to jump in the transport on T1?

i thought that only the uit in question coudl use a dedicated trasnport....


So, for example.....

I deploy my Chosen as infiltrators and their dedicated rhino next to another marine squad at the other end of the table. In turn 1 can the other marines squad, who doens't have a DT, jump in the Chosens DT and carry on as normal?

Yes anyone can use any transport vehicle. The only restriction on a DT is that it can only be deployed empty or with parent unit embarked.

Ah, that's fine then. Also open up possibilities of giving my 'zerkers a LR transport without sacrificing a HS slot.

Praxiss wrote:Ah, that's fine then. Also open up possibilities of giving my 'zerkers a LR transport without sacrificing a HS slot.

Yep, the only slight disadvantage to this is that you physically have to embark on turn 1, providing you deploy next to each other, the unit can just embark without having to move, then the transport can move and carry on as normal. Some people do the shortcut, which typically doesn't matter which is why it's done in friendly games, to just deploy embarked, and that isn't legal. The only real reason this can matter is if your opponent has first turn and then could shoot said squad, or if they steal the initiative and could attempt to kill said squads.

The other reason to do this is: you can assault from walking on from outflank if on foot, you roll on in a transport and you can't (unless it has an assault ramp, of course). So if they've left longfangs at the corner, or some similar vulnerable unit, you can choose to ditch your ride and just outflank on foot, allowing you to potentially assault.

I tend to do this with my Melta-Chosen so the whoel point of outflanking is to let me get a shot at any artillary at the back ofthe table.
Check them in a rhino with a pintle combi-melta and that's 3 melta shots while driving.

Sure. But it's also handing two fragile KPs to the enemy, in return for a small chance of killing two enemy units. Unless the terrain is such that reprisal against them is really limited, Outflanking with a Chosen + Rhino is often counterproductive in Annihilation missions; or a wash in the best case (kill 2 KPs, sacrifice 2 KPs). That's the main reason I stopped using them regularly. In 2008-2009 for a while I was running 2x Chosen in Rhinos, but I just found them too much of a liability in KP.

Having realized that I can leave the transport behind if the situation calls for it a) means I have the option to offer up fewer KP to the enemy, and b) means I can potentially assault the turn the Chosen come on, which is never possible if they bring the Rhino with them, since it's not an assault vehicle.

More flexibility. Less drawback.