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Here's the story. Today I was playing a planetstrike game in which a squadron of 2 killa kanz assaulted a hammerhead. Good rolling yielded 4 penetrating hits. The Tau player then claimed a cover save from his 'disruption pods'. The owner of the killa kanz, trusting his Tau opponent, allowed the saves to be rolled. 4 saved pens.

The killa kan player then looks up the rule in the tau codex, and sees to his horror that not only can the save not be used in assault, it can only be used against weapons fired from 12" + away. The Tau player (it is now the next turn), says that he didn't pick him up on the rule, ergo he didn't need to take the damage results. What would you do in this situation?

By the way, the reason the ork player didn't look up the rule on the turn that it was relevant was because the Tau codex was fiendishly hidden under the table.

If you make a mistake to your own disadvantage then you either just accept it or you ask your opponent if he's okay with correcting it.

If you make a mistake to your advantage then you correct it unless your opponent would rather let it stand.

Tau player screwed up to his own advantage (I'm being generous in my assumptions here) - he should have corrected it.

This should probably be in 40K Discussion or General Discussion - the rules assume that you're following them, there's nothing about what to do when you don't.


ETA - you should use this for your avatar:

Personally, I would say the model needs to take 4 Pen rolls. Unless it has been a few turns since. If it during the Tau players next turn then I would take the rolls.

I do find it hard to believe that the Tau did not know the rules on this piece of wargear.

@ Scott - But Boxxy is an inspiration! Gaga is bit meh in my opinion. Wear a bit of meat and everyone knows who you are

I'd always taken that to be a photoshop of boxxy... (check out the chin) I do not claim to be an expert on either.

Brutii11 wrote:The Tau player (it is now the next turn), says that he didn't pick him up on the rule, ergo he didn't need to take the damage results.

So it's ok to cheat (intentionally or unintentionally) as long as you don't get caught before the turn ends.
Remember that when you play this Tau player in the future.

If it was unintentional, then i see no reason as to why the Tau player would argue against taking the hits if it was only one turn on, it's not hard to back-track, depending on how far into the turn you are, he messed up and his opponent showed trust. I'm leaning towards the Tau player knew exactly what he was doing, otherwise he wouldn't argue against taking the hits. It falls to both players to know the rules, but more responsability it on the Tau players head for knowing his own rules rather than the ork player.

Personally, I'd take the hits no questions asked (if it was one turn later) and essentially un-do any damage that vehicle may have caused since its "death".
If this happened against me... well... if you want to play THAT kind of game then so be it, I'm generally easy going unless someone does something OTT.

He was taking a COVER save, which is explicitly disallowed in CC *regardless* of what the Tau rule says?

Cheating, plain and simple.

I've played against a few people like this. A misinterpretation of the rules is one thing, and there have been some good arguments about them, but the rules on this are pretty clear, so he's just cheating.

I'd advise getting a hold of the Tau book and having a good read (to know your enemy's capabilities as much as to prevent him from cheating)

Mistakes are meant to be learned from. As long as it wasn't a tournament I wouldn't worry about it too much. Just remember for next time that's all you can do.

I'd find an opponent who knows his own codex.

definitely sounds like an intentional 'mistake' and since it was only one turn on, he should have taken the pen rolls. arguing the point just makes his cheating more obviuos.
in the future, always ask to see the codex entry for any piece of wargear that you dont know the rules for (just to be on the safe side) its what i do.