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With the new GK Codex and the prevalence of Psyker vehicles, I've been wondering how some of gear and powers of the WH would work against Psyker vehicles.

As with the title, a bolter-stake crossbow says, "Any Psyker hit will be wounded on a 2+ and receives no Armour save (though Invulnerable saves may be taken as normal). On any other target, the weapon counts as Strength 3, AP 5." Since vehicles can't be wounded, I imagine that the second profile would be used, but that makes sense and isn't necessarily RAW vs Psyker vehicles. Thoughts?

Along the same lines, for scenarios that do use Victory Points as a means of winning, or breaking a tie, would killing an enemy Psyker vehicle yield D6 X 10 Victory Points if Excruciators are taken? If so that would be quite a bonus from say a Psyker Land Raider or Storm Raven! I suppose the same question would apply to any units with Brotherhood of Pskers. Would each model count or because each unit is treated as a single Psyker, one would have to kill the whole unit to get the points? The second bullet point under Brotherhood of Psykers would seem to indicate that each model would count but I am unsure. "If the bearer of Excruciators is alive at the end of the battle, each enemy psyker killed or otherwise removed from the table is worth an additional D6 X 10 Victory Points."

Power stakes, similar to the bolter stake-crossbow, affects wounds only, but is worded to be able to be used against Psyker vehicles, "The stake counts as a power weapon but against targets the have psychic powers, it will always wound on a 2+." Again, applying common sense, it would have no affect on Psyker vehicles and would just use the normal rules for Armor Penetration.

Psi-trackers and WH Psyocculums seem to have become much better against what could be the abundance of Psyker vehicles. I also can't wait to "Hammer of the Witches" all those Psyker vehicles! Even with LD 10, rolling that many times, a few are likely to fail.

And finally, not necessarily for YMDC, but my with preliminary evaluation of the new GK Codex, it seems that WH Inquisition would make an excellent counter to the powerhouse of the GK.

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:As with the title, a bolter-stake crossbow says, "Any Psyker hit will be wounded on a 2+ and receives no Armour save (though Invulnerable saves may be taken as normal). On any other target, the weapon counts as Strength 3, AP 5." Since vehicles can't be wounded, I imagine that the second profile would be used, but that makes sense and isn't necessarily RAW vs Psyker vehicles. Thoughts?

So either you wound something without wounds or you get an attack that has to get at least 7 on a D6 to penetrate a vehicle. I think I'll let my opponent decide which one of the two useless outcomes it'll be.

Sadly, you can't do any of those things to Psychic Vehicles.


GK vehicles are Ld10 for Psychic Tests only. at all other times, they have no Ld characteristic(only counting as Ld10 for Psychic Tests) and as such will not take any tests.


the only things that will effect psychic vehicles are things like SitW, Runic items, and Eldar Runes.

Grey Templar wrote:Sadly, you can't do any of those things to Psychic Vehicles.


GK vehicles are Ld10 for Psychic Tests only. at all other times, they have no Ld characteristic(only counting as Ld10 for Psychic Tests) and as such will not take any tests.


the only things that will effect psychic vehicles are things like SitW, Runic items, and Eldar Runes.

Forgive the stupidity of this question, but why do you think that GK vehicles with Psychic powers wound not be affected by many of the WH war gear/powers?

I can use common sense and see that the ones that deal with wounds wouldn't really matter, but why couldn't I use "Hammer of the Witches" as what happens to vehicles is covered under "Psychic Pilot" when they suffer a Perils of the Warp? Similarly, why wouldn't GK vehicles with "Psychic Pilot" give up D6 * 10 Victory points if destroyed for the purposes of Excruciators?

I am honestly curious as to your opinion, Grey Templar, or anyone else for that matter, on these matters as I did not reach the same conclusions as you.

Well, first off. sure, your Stake crossbow will cause a wound on a 2+.

too bad the vehicles have no wounds to lose so nothing happens



For Hammer of the Witches(and the stake crossbows) Gk vehicles are never actually psykers.

they count as Ld10 psykers for the purposes of casting Fortitude and any interfering Psychic hoods.


Psychic Pilot never actually says they are psykers. it only allows them to act like one for the purposes of casting their 1 power. at no point, do they have the Psyker special rule.



now, any equipment that interfered with a psykers Ld when he cast a psychic power i would allow to proceed. even though, technically, the Rules only allow Psychic hoods to affect the GKs(Even eldar Runes aren't allowed by the strict RAW, but it's probably a mistake)