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well after figuring out my fantasy army(vampire counts) i wanted to figure out my 40k with Orks
Ps i want to be able to use this in tournament play
well ere' we go:

ork warboss: 85
kombi shoota/burna
boss pole
attack squig

kommandos: 80
nob - big choppa

10 ork boys: 77 points
3 shootas, 2 stick bombs and nob - choppa

trukk: 50
red paint
reinforced armor

3 warbikers: 85
nob

3 killa kans: 120
2 skorcha and 1 big shoota

497 points

how is this?

Yikes!!! It does look fun, but not so competitive. A couple of basic rules...

-Boyz before toyz
-Boyz mob should always have a nob with a power klaw and a boss pole, stick bombs I have never considered I've also never seen them in a list so I have my doubt on their use.
-Typically shootas are better then sluggas on foot, sluggas have their places though
-Kans are best taken with Rokkits and Grotzookas
-Warboss they are nice but you will want a power klaw, and a cybork investment is usually a good one.
-Kommandos they are good but become much better when you add Snikrot and 2 burnas
-Don't bring just 1, if you're bringing a trukk or battlewagon or deffkopta or warbuggy bring 2 at least, you will get focused on and we are a horde army our stuff is cheap so take twice as much.
-When in doubt buy more lootas, more boyz and more KFF big mek

Can't offer advice on warbikers, never used them, nob bikers I hear are competitive. Based on what you have it looks like you are basing this list on a battleforce. Save your money or split a black reach set with an SM player and get a much cheaper and better start to your army. Our biggest advantage at low point levels are our cheap cheap boyz, field as many as you can. Add 2 boxes of boyz for some boss pole/PK sporting nobz, pick up a KFF big mek and run something like this:

Warboss -PK -Cybork 95
Big Mek KFF 85
Ork Boyzx20 -Nob -PK -BP 160
Ork Boyzx20 -Nob -PK -BP 160

500pts, no toyz but it's still orky and fun. PK is enough to handle any armor (4+1 for charge strength 10+1 for charge and 6+2 for charge Strength 8+1 for charge attacks), but you probably won't see much at 500 and if you do their list is fail. KFF gives cover save, shootas would be better but at this point level it will be hard to lose either way as Orks.

ahhh i see, how do you get a warboss with power armor and such? the only one i see is the special character on the site.
so your saying that would be good for a 500 point? kinda worried if they enemy was space marine and had a dreadnaught and it would demolish my army :x

This is the one that comes with Assault on Black Reach:


Sounds like you want a mechanized list if you want fast, this involves battlewagons, buggies and deffkoptas maybe some trukks. At low points it's tough to work in, keep working with boyz and basics till 1k then pick up some toyz.


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Dreadnaught will fall to the PKs in their first turn of combat. You will hit him with 4 strength 10-11 attacks from the Warboss alone, in close combat all attacks treat vehicles as if they are hit from the rear which has an AV10 so with a roll of the D6 you already are penetrating.

Also you cant stick a couple random shootas in a mob of slugga boyz. They are either all sluggas or all shootas. Same with the stickbombs, its all or nothing.

The problem Im seeing though is there is NO PK in this list. You need to get some pks in there for one thing. Another is you need to get your boyz mobs bigger. With the small number of boyz your taking they will crumble in one assault.


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Dreadnaught will fall to the PKs in their first turn of combat. You will hit him with 4 strength 10-11 attacks from the Warboss alone, in close combat all attacks treat vehicles as if they are hit from the rear which has an AV10 so with a roll of the D6 you already are penetrating.

couple problems here. You cant have a stat go above 10, so there wont be any str11 attacks, they will be str10 from a warboss. Also, attacks are not taken on the rear on a walker, which a dred is. A warboss has a pretty good shot at downing a dread though. Good luck man let us know how the battle goes

I did not know that about the walkers, either way between the warboss and a nob or 2 you will take it down easy.

so im gonna take Hargus56 idea, is there a way to get the warboss from assualt on black reach? cuz im kinda too lazy to build my own :x i just wanna be able to buy it in one piece you know?

Ebay, or trade forums here. Probably can get one for $5-$10 depending on shipping. Boyz are fairly cheap too this way, think they ran me about $1 per for the black reach ones. These are slugga boyz, shoota boyz tend to do better on foot and you will be missing 2 nobz with PK and boss pole. I recommend getting 20 of these AOBR boyz then grab 2 boyz boxes and make them shootas so you have 20 shootas and 20 sluggas and 2 PK/BP nobz from the boyz boxes for each unit, give the big mek a shoota (don't worry about modeling him with it unless you are in a tourney with strict WYSIWYG rules, stick the warboss in with the sluggas and big mek with the shootas, keep em tight initially so both units get the cover save from the KFF and split em if you need too attack an enemy in 2 different areas of the map.

So you will be up and running for about:
Boyz Boxesx2 $50
Warboss $10
Big Mek KFF $15
20 AOBR Boyz $20

$95 aint bad, don't forget the taxes and the codex. FYI you can probably find the AOBR Ork army with the 5 useless nobz and deffkoptas which are nice for about $40 so $5 more dollars for the extras.

I have played a few 500pt Ork lists, and I really think at that point level its a game of rock paper scissors. Also give some thought to table size. If its 4x4 you will own the table with a horde list. If its 4x6 you may want something faster.

I ran this list (similar to the one above):
Big Mek 35 (edit no KFF thanks Hargus56)
Ork Boyzx20 -Nob -PK -BP 160
Ork Boyzx20 -Nob -PK -BP 160
Ork Boyzx20 -Nob -PK -BP 160
There are not many armies that can handle this list in cc; but you will see some armies tear you apart in the shooting phase (ie space wolves). I think the one that was suggested above will suffer from the same problem. This list will own a 4x4 table....but on a 4x6 you may have some problems.

I ran a trukk list. Basically two trukss a KFF, and 23 boyz(with two nobz)......plus some extras (lootas, koptas, ect)....the extras are for anti tank, otherwise just run up the table and hope for the best. Space Wolves tore me up in the shooting phase aswell, otherwise this is a solid list.

Last biker nobz at 500pt is almost unfair. What I did was run 10 boyz, and then fill the rest of my list with one unit of biker nobz, with a painboy and a warboss on a bike. It was pretty awesome. I beat up that space wolves player with it...lol. Just watch out for str 8 shooting (put those on the warboss), try and turbo-boost whenever your not assaulting for the 3 up save. Also your low leadership may cause you problems aswell.

Hope this helps.

Geemoney wrote:
Big Mek KFF 35

You are about 50 pts shy on this

No, Im not taking a kff for him. Just wanted a cheap HQ so I could pack as many boyz as possible.

heres a list i like in small point games - clocks in at 488 but there are points you can take off to add different stuff and whatnot and you can get most of it just from buying black reach and a couple trukks.

Warboss w/PK Attack Squig, Bosspole, Cybork

boyz - 10 + Nob w/PK, Bosspole - Trukk w/RPJ (Warboss deploys in this trukk)

boyz - 11 +Nob w/PK, Bosspole - Trukk w/RPJ

Deffkopta w/TL Rocket, Buzzsaw


Clocks in at 488

The Warboss can be a monster in CC with the right setup. Ran this list against a guy trying out some new Grey Knights builds and he took down the Dreadknight. He's hard to beat in any army for the points.

you could possibly take a KFF Mek instead of the warboss or drop the Kopta's buzzsaw and pick up something else. Just something i threw together in 5 mins to point you in maybe a more reliable fast ork direction.

Depending on your playstyle you could take slugga boyz and just throw both trukks at something - you'll probably kill it will a well timed Waagh and both units charging the same unit on the same turn.

You could also run the boyz as shootas and run drive-bys to kill stuff until they blow up the trukk (and they will lol) then you can clean up the mess afterwards.

Just my 2 cents worth

Biggest issue I see with the first list is there is only one troops choice haha.

If I was running a 500pt list, I would want to pack in as many boyz as I could, simply because most opponents can't deal with 40-50 models at that low of points.

HQ
Warboss - PK
(85)

Troops
20xShoota Boyz - Nob w. PK, Bosspole
(160)

15xShoota Boyz - Nob w. PK, Bosspole
(130)

14xShoota Boyz - Nob w. PK, Bosspole
(124)

Total 499pts

well from looking over from all the army choices ima do this:
warboss: boss pole, twin shoota, big choppa 75 points
big mekk: force field 85 points
20 ork boyz: 1 rokkit launcher, nob with pk bs 170 (slugga boyz)
20 ork boyz: 1 rokkit launcher, nob with pk bs 170) (shoota boyz)

so thats exactly 500 points it will be strong and have anitvehicle stuff so i think this may work

No need for the boss pole on the warboss if your nobz have it. Rokkits are OK, the thing with Orks is our low BS means you're hitting on 5s so that's a 33% chance for a successful hit, strength 8 is OK but a PK will be more. The problem is if you have a chance of facing some Leman Russ Tanks, AV 14 in the front and 13 in the sides means you'll need 5s to hit then to get even at least a glancing from the front you will need 6s, 5s from the side, where a Warboss with a PK at Strength 10, will be dishing out a lot more then just 2 shots and will need to roll a 1 for armor penetration since it's rear AV is a 10, even against a land raider you have a chance with it's AV14 all around. Really just do what makes it fun for you. I do like orkboy's 3 unit lists this brings an extra nob with PK as well. Your ork boyz are really gonna shine at this level you really can't go wrong with taking as many as possible

Warphead 85 for some real fun, KFF Big Mek 85, Warboss -PK 85
Ork Boyzx17 -Nob -PK -BP 160
Ork Boyzx17 -Nob -PK -BP 160
Ork Boyzx16 -Nob -PK -BP 160

or just a cheap Big Mek or Weirdboy with more boyz.

well guess no choice but to give my boss the powerklaw, i actualy dound a site that sells the black reach warboss that has the powerklaw for 3. 60 so i think ill go with that plus they have the sets boyz for 20 for 20 boyz so thats an easy 63.60 + tax for the army. now that i could do

Cool, I pmed you a link to an eBay auction for the ork black reach set. Guy also sells aobr boys and boy boxes and combines shipping too

The AOBR set is a fantastic way to bulk up your forces. Also if you get creative you can turn the sluggas into shootas real quick with a barrell extension using plastic tubes (i use the handles from push pops) Not to mention everything from that set is found on EBAY for cheap cheap cheap

well thanks allot guys, ill keep you posted when i have the army and how it does in a local tournament

I like the idea of mass boyz in a 500 point it would be really hard to deal with and a big mek with kff to pretect the foot slogging is very win