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Okay so finally got in my terminators and bike force from ebay and decided to have a learning game with a buddy of mine. Found out that you cannot turbo boost ravenwing in scout move like everyone else....BOO!!!! But we were playing an objective mission so I dropped the Deathwing in and killed off his armor with attack bikes and ravenwing meltas. The last turn I was controlling 1 objective...he controlled 1...and 2 were contested. In the movement phase I turbo-boosted my attack bike to an objective off on its own and basically the game ended. I claimed victory due to the attack bike controlling an objective, but my opponent said that he isn't a troop choice via Sammual (not in my army)...that the attack bike wasn't a scoring troop choice. I refered him to pg. 27 of the DA codex under Ravenwing Combat Squad heading;

"Much like combat squads, the squadron's Attack Bike and Land Speeder are purchased together with the squadron and then deployed at the same time as the squadron's bikes, but from then on they always operate as completely independent scoring units of one model."

I claim that this is like Pedro giving Sternguard scoring...he states that it isn't so....we decided to post this and let you guys be the judge.


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Nevermind lol, he emailed me and found it answered in inat FAQ...

Actually a couple of pointers, just so you know.

Yes you can turbo boost with the scout move, this was from the previous rulebook, and its an note about scout moves, not about ravenwing. If you read in the rulebook, you can turbo boost during scout move, and this is in the Rulebook faq. The one requirement in this is that you do not move within 12" of an enemy model.

Another thing to keep in mind, if you buy the full support squadron(6 bikes, attack bike, speeder) you can not use the outflank move as the speeder does not have scout. This is because when held in reserve the whole squadrion is still one squadron and they do not combat squad until deployment.

Also, while yes the speeder is a troop, it can not hold objectives as it is a vehilcle

mpangelu wrote:Actually a couple of pointers, just so you know.

Yes you can turbo boost with the scout move, this was from the previous rulebook, and its an note about scout moves, not about ravenwing. If you read in the rulebook, you can turbo boost during scout move, and this is in the Rulebook faq.

Unless you play Dark Angels, as their codex specifically says they cannot.

Remember, specific rules trumps general rules, always. The BRB states that you can Turbo Boost while you're using Scout, generally. The Dark Angels Codex specifically states that you can not. So, you can't Turbo Boost while useing Scout with Dark Angels.

The BRB states only Troops are scoring units. The Dark Angels Codex states specifically that Attack Bikes and Land Speeders are scoring units. Whether Sammael is in the army (hence making them Troops, possible) or not, is irrelevant.

mpangelu - no, Dark Angels bikes CANNOT turboboost in their Scout move, because their rules state so.

RAW: The Ravenwing sqaud is not scoring unless taken as a troop: But the landspeeder and attack bike are always scoring units of 1, regarless of being troops or not.

Common sense: the whole unit isnt scoring, but that aint the rule, so if taken with sammy, the whole unit (6 bike) are scoring plus the attack bike and land speeder, without sammy, just the attack bike and landspeeder are...

hope i helped

My reasoning for saying they can is because its not a ravenwing rule. It's a note on the scout rule from when it said no model may ever use turboboost duribgscout. This can easily be eead as a reminder of scout restriction. As the peevious rulebook had that as a @cout restriction.

And the speeders aren't scoring. Sammael makes the squad a troop not scoring. Rulebook says vehicles can be a troop and not scoring. I don't know why people mebtion the attack bike as we all are agreeibg they do score.

Wow, 0-2 for mpangelu........

The landspeeders are scoring, because the codex says they are, overriding the main rulebook restriction against vehicles being a scoring unit. Doesn't matter if they're Troops or not, they're a scoring unit.

DA cannot scout because their codex says they cannot. Doesn't matter what the rules used to be, what they are now, any of that. The codex says they cannot turboboost in their scout move, and that's all that matters. Really, that's all there is to it.

OK looked in my DA codex and also in the latest FAQ. Where are you guys getting that the Attack Bike and Speeder are scoring WITHOUT Sammael in the army? Only he makes them a troops choice option and only troops hold objectives. Also Ravenwing can not turboboost in a scout move, that would be ridiculously overpowered when coupled with Deathwing Assault.

bigyounk wrote:OK looked in my DA codex and also in the latest FAQ. Where are you guys getting that the Attack Bike and Speeder are scoring WITHOUT Sammael in the army? Only he makes them a troops choice option and only troops hold objectives. Also Ravenwing can not turboboost in a scout move, that would be ridiculously overpowered when coupled with Deathwing Assault.

Dark Angels Codex page 27, boxed out text, lower right.
"...but from then on they always operate as completely independent scoring units of one model."

You dont have to be "Troops" to score; for proof have a look at Kantor and what he does to Sternguard

You have scoring landspeeders because your codex states you do. IN the exact same way your codex states you cannot turboboost in a scout move.

yep, this rule is, for a change, pretty clear.

Ok I see it now. Been playing them for years and that is the first time I had that pointed out.