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So Eldrad's ability states that D3 + 1 units on your side may redeploy just before the game starts. My question is this: If i declare a unit is in reserve before deployment, can I then use this ability to place said unit on the table instead if I think it will be more beneficial?

I think the key word here is redeploy, if a unit is in reserve it has not been deployed so cannot redeploy.

No as Eldrad actually says you may reposition your units, so if they're not on the table you cannot reposition them. You should probably state Eldrads actual rules rather than a wild stab at what you think they might be.

Repositioning (or reploying as used in the FAQ), does imply that you may pick any unit in your army and then have to deploy them somewhere.

So I'd say you can deploy units from your reserve, as they are still in your army, but you can't put units into reserve, as reserving is not deploying. Not set in stone though.

Aramoro wrote:No as Eldrad actually says you may reposition your units, so if they're not on the table you cannot reposition them. You should probably state Eldrads actual rules rather than a wild stab at what you think they might be.

No need to be so stand-offish - it's not 100% clear, that's why I asked.

Jidmah wrote:Repositioning (or reploying as used in the FAQ), does imply that you may pick any unit in your army and then have to deploy them somewhere.

So I'd say you can deploy units from your reserve, as they are still in your army, but you can't put units into reserve, as reserving is not deploying. Not set in stone though.

And this quote is the other reason I asked the question - it's not clear.

The rule says reposition. You cannot reposition a unit that you didn't put in the table in the first place.

Calling it reploying units based on that FAQ entry is disingenuous as that's just clarifying what happens with scouts etc.

You should still quote the actual rule - not everyone has an eldar codex at hand.

"After both sides have deployed at the start of the game, the eldar player may resposition D3+1 units in his army. No unit may be moved outside its deployment zone."

There are two FAQ entries on this rule, that don't help here.

On second thought I think you can move only units already on the board, as you can only reposition something that has been positioned. If you'd call outside the game a position, it wouldn't allow to leave that deployment zone.

It is crystal clear though, that you can't move units from the board to reserves.

Well the FAQ specifically mentions that the units are "redeployed" - just because the rule discusses the implications of scout moves, doesnt mean that we have to ignore the word "re-deployed".

See spongemonkey in that case.

Eldar Codex wrote:Eldrad's Powers of Precognition and prophecy are legendary. After both sides have deployed at the start of game, the Eldar player may reposition D3 + 1 units in his army. No unit may be moved outside of its deployment zone.

And the FAQ is...

Eldar FAQ wrote:Q. With Divination, does the redeployment of units take place before or after the free movement of units with the scout special rule?

A. Before. It says 'after both sides have deployed' and the scouts move happens 'before the first player begins his first turn'.

So there is a case for ambiguity here I think.

Huh? I don't get it.
Can't reposition something that's not on the board.

Can't redeploy something that has not been deployed in the first place.

Seems to work for both wordings.

There's only a case for ambiguity if you try really really hard and squint at the rules in just the right way. The rules are clear and trying to do anything else is what we technically call a dick move.

Aramoro wrote:There's only a case for ambiguity if you try really really hard and squint at the rules in just the right way. The rules are clear and trying to do anything else is what we technically call a dick move.

Maybe you need to drop whatever attitude you have - thats two posts in the space of 15 minutes which have been quite aggressive in tone.

I asked a question and got some answers, that's all.

liam0404 wrote:

Aramoro wrote:There's only a case for ambiguity if you try really really hard and squint at the rules in just the right way. The rules are clear and trying to do anything else is what we technically call a dick move.

Maybe you need to drop whatever attitude you have - thats two posts in the space of 15 minutes which have been quite aggressive in tone.

I asked a question and got some answers, that's all.

All I asked you to do was quote Eldrads rule correctly, not state his rule was something totally different. Just being clear.

And trying to dissect the rules like that IS a dick move. But there's no need to be offended as I'm sure you're not serious actually trying to do that.

There's a lack of tone on the internet so you probably shouldn't assume aggression.

No, exploring something (which I , me, personally found a little unclear - that is perfectly ok you know) to find out the way a rule works is NOT a dick move, and I take great exception to this - there are a million other ways to phrase your feelings on the matter. Calling it a dick move is (IMHO) close enough to accusing me of this.