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Came up with this last night in a more vile mood, C+C welcomed

LORD
Sorcerer Lord - MoT Talisman of Preservation Infernal Puppet Enchanted shield Disc (405)
Sorcerer Lord - Power Familiar Ironcurse Icon Talisman of Endurance (330)

HERO
Exalted - MoT BSB Chaos Steed Charmed Shield Collar of Khorne Sword of Striking Favour of the Gods (211)

CORE
Warriors x 20 - MoT Sh full command Banner of eternal flame (380)
Warriors x 21 - MoT XHW full command Banner of Rage (427)
Marauders x 42 - MoK GW Musician Standard (252)
Marauders x 20 - MoT LA HW Sh Musician Standard (152)

SPECIAL
here is where i am torn i will either take this

Dragon Ogres x 4 - XHW (292)
or this
Chaos Knights x 6 - MoT Musician Standard (290)

RARE
Hellcannon (205)
Hellcannon (205)
War Shrine (130)

TOTAL - 2999 or 2997 depending on the special option

Second Sorc Lord takes shadow (hehehe) and goes with the sword and board warriors along with the BSB, smaller block of marauders is for occupying the rest marches forward and puts shiny sharp things into the soft bits of other things. Let me know what you think, any changes or comments would be greatly appreciated

Cheers
PapaSmurf

I don't usually play chaos (borrow sometimes) but I thought wizards who can't take normal shields also can't take magical shields according to rulebook. What gives a sorcer lord the shield option?

Personally, I really dont like running more than one level 4. I have found one level four can use most of the dice every single phase, even if you roll high.

A killy lord might suite you better instead of the second level 4

I also would put 3rd Eye on your MoT caster. Being able to use your opponents spells can be great fun!

if you have the option for magic armour then you can take a magic shield, since the sorcs have chaos armour they can take it

the bsb is killy enough for most things plus the hexs from shadow are just too good to pass up

in the past i have run more lvl 2s and another killy character wanted to see what this would do

any opinions on the dragon ogres or the knights?

cheers
Papasmurf

I would rather see dragon ogres hit the table then chaos knights if I were playing against WoC if thats any help.

meaning that the knights are better or that you really never see dragon ogres so it would be a welcome change?

Papasmurf

PapaSmurf wrote:meaning that the knights are better or that you really never see dragon ogres so it would be a welcome change?

Papasmurf

Meaning, imo, as a regular WoC opponent, the knights are better.

Dragon ogres go down pretty easy imo.

really? i have found that a 4+ save and 4 wounds each makes them tougher to get rid of

plus in list where i run 2 shrines they sometimes get some blessing love which can make them even more gross!

but as this is a competitive list i guess that knights are more competitive in most players minds?

papasmurf

Also, the Ensorcelled Weapons are Magical (right?) so that could help you against Ethereal units.

how ethereal units have you run into this edition? that doesn't seem to be as important as the sheer number of wounds that you have to go through to get rid of them

16 attacks (4 each) at str 5 plus a stomp vs

12 attacks (2 each) at str 5 and 6 at str 4

toss up i guess cause the twelve attacks are faster and better WS

ahh i don't know

Papasmurf

give them the mark of khorne and its 18 attacks

True but then id have to paint them red and this is a mostly Tzeentch themed army cause i loves the changer! hells yeah

Really the Khorne marauders are only there cause its 'ard boys otherwise they'd be Tzeentch as well!

Papasmurf

PapaSmurf wrote:if you have the option for magic armour then you can take a magic shield, since the sorcs have chaos armour they can take it

There's a somewhat recent GW article about a chaos army, and the writer mentions how his Sorcerer was illegal because he had a shield. Having mundane armor means you can take a magical version of armor. You would have to have an option for a magical shield to get access to magical shields.

I'll see if I can find the link.

streamdragon wrote:

PapaSmurf wrote:if you have the option for magic armour then you can take a magic shield, since the sorcs have chaos armour they can take it

There's a somewhat recent GW article about a chaos army, and the writer mentions how his Sorcerer was illegal because he had a shield. Having mundane armor means you can take a magical version of armor. You would have to have an option for a magical shield to get access to magical shields.

I'll see if I can find the link.

That would require the belief that GW people know what they are talking about, history has shown me that they dont.

According to RaW, chaos sorcs can take the enchanted shield

i don't like the XHW on your warriors. take advantage of the 5+ ward in CC for all its worth and swap the banner of rage for the Rapturous Standard.

I already have an anvil unit of warriors, the XHW unit is the major damage dealer in the list and they still get the 6+ ward from tzeentch

Papasmurf

Could always go halberds instead of XHW. That way you get the benefit of your special weapon choice on your supporting models as well.

11 attacks at S5 vs. 16 attacks at S4. S5 will completely ignore most core armor, and reduces other Chaos Armor (or Empire Full Plate) to a paltry 6+.

I agree, halberds definitely make more sense than AHW all told. The extra pip to wound and remove armor really is great.

As to the drogers vs knights, that's a tough choice! I might favor the knights, just because I like the higher I and much better armor in a unit that won't have ranks to push it through combat, though 16 Str5 attacks + 4 stomps is pretty sweet too. I would feel safer with knights, but cooler with drogers. So I guess I vote dragon ogres for getting "Wait, dragon ogres?" responses

"Sorceres are unusal in that they wear Chaos armour and use magic shields or magic armour just like other Champions of Chaos"
Codex WoC

I don't see any problem with giving a sorcere a shield.

What about the razor standard instead of banner of rage? Banner of rage gives your front guys attacks only, razor std makes you all -2 to save. You have the added option to not have to pursue or overrun. I've been so used and abused because of frenzy I never take it anymore.

Did some adjusting, what do you think of this

Sorcerer Lord - general, MoT, lvl 4, Enchanted shield, Infernal puppet, Talisman of preservation, Biting blade Disc of Tzeentch (410)

Sorcerer Lord - power familiar, lvl4, Ironcurse icon (300) (SHADOW)

Exalted Hero - MoT, BSB, Charmed shield, Sword of Striking, Collar of Khorne, Barded Chaos Steed (211)

23x Warriors of Chaos - MoT, Shield, Musician, Standard, Wailing Banner (456)

24x Warriors of Chaos - MoT, Halberd, Musician, Standard, Banner of Rage (457)

50x Marauders of Chaos - MoK, GW Musician, Standard (292)

6x Chaos Knights - MoT, Musician, Standard, Blasted Standard (330)

War Shrine (130)

Hell Cannon (205)

Hell Cannon (205)

Total - 2996

Comments and Criticism welcomed

PapaSmurf

Much better.

it's more focused

Good to see a list that doesnt run chosens for a change!
2 Lv 4 is kinda hard to power though.
Wouldnt the Halberd dudes be better off with just MoK? 6+ ward doesnt seem to worth the extra points.
BSB with MoT and Collar of Khorne is hilarious though (Wouldnt Dawnstone be better?)

Why is 2nd lvl 4 hard to power, tzeentch level 4 really doesnt need to throw more than 3 dice at anything with +5 to cast, 2nd lvl 4 is probably more important but will force opponents to worry about gateway and pandemonium

MoT is cheaper than MoK and you'd be amazed how much a 6+ comes off, only need to make 2 saves during the game to pay for itself

chosen are great but i really have difficyulty spending 500+ points on just one unit (course the warriors are 450+ so )

Papasmurf