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Like the topic suggest, from where do you measure the explosion range of a Valkyrie, if it suffers an "Explodes!" result on the damage table? Actuall hull, the base or some obscure combination?

Anything within 1d6 is hit by the explosion. "Within" is anything that is no more inches away from the hull than the dice result.

That said, I just realized that I've never seen a valk or vendetta explode, even though I constantly play against them. They all seem to get wrecked all the time.

Sure about that? Because that means that its really hard, due to the height, to actually ever hit anyting with the explosion. Not that I mind, I was playing against the IG :-D

We've always used the base for measuring the explosion. Makes it much simpler, and less arguements.

in the rule book it says you measure to and from either the base or the hull for skimmers (i don't have a page reference, sorry; it is in the section on skimmers). so i would measure from the base to be fair.

Skimmer bases are ignored for all purposes but for assault, valk has some additional exceptions in the IG faq. Explosion is not one of them.

Q. How do you treat the Valkyrie base for
gaming? Due to its height it seems that it is
impossible for a Valkyrie to contest an objective,
or for troops to disembark/embark normally.
A. Follow the rules in Measuring Distances in the
Skimmers section in the Warhammer 40,000
rulebook with the following exception: For the
purposes of contesting objectives and
embarking/disembarking from a Valkyrie or
Vendetta, measure to and from the model’s base.
For example, models wishing to embark within a
Valkyrie can do so if at the end of their
movement, all models within the unit are within
2" of the Valkyrie’s base.

I'd measure from the hull and count everthing within that range (regardless of height) like you would holding a blast template over them.

You shouldn't be too surprised that an exploding valk will rarely (if ever) hit anything, because it's flying.

You measure from the hull, not the base. The IG FAQ very clearly does not address explosions for that purpose. Jimole and his italics get it perfectly

Son 0f Dorn wrote:I'd measure from the hull and count everthing within that range (regardless of height) like you would holding a blast template over them.

The game, with very few exceptions, is 3D

Play it as a 3D game where you can!

Jidmah wrote:That said, I just realized that I've never seen a valk or vendetta explode, even though I constantly play against them. They all seem to get wrecked all the time.

Ironically I play guard and run 3x vendettas I can't recall ever losing 1 to an explosion even getting assaulted. Really weird!

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Son 0f Dorn wrote:I'd measure from the hull and count everthing within that range (regardless of height) like you would holding a blast template over them.

The game, with very few exceptions, is 3D

Play it as a 3D game where you can!

Except for when you assault skimmers? I'd think expoding debris raining down would hurt stuff below it.

"very few exceptions"

Son Of Dorn has it spot on for me.

Its counted as a skimmer for game purposes. So treat it as per a skimmer.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Son 0f Dorn wrote:I'd measure from the hull and count everthing within that range (regardless of height) like you would holding a blast template over them.

The game, with very few exceptions, is 3D

Play it as a 3D game where you can!

Except for when you assault skimmers? I'd think expoding debris raining down would hurt stuff below it.

Balancing? You'll probably notice that WH40k is not a simulation, unless you converted your tank's flamers to actually ignite enemy models.


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Whoopie Monster: All skimmers measure explosion range from their hull, not their base. It just makes close to no difference to anything but the oversized skimmers.

Jidmah, I understand that

But do people really measure out and down on other skimmers?

So what happens to a passanger in a Valk or Stormraven when it goes bang? do you put them within 2 inches of an access point and then let go?

No - you follow the rules. Oddly enough

For stormravens: see their entry in the relevant rulebook on what to do for passengers embarking / disembarking

for Valks: see the IG FAQ

WhoopieMonster wrote:Jidmah, I understand that

But do people really measure out and down on other skimmers?

There is no reason to do so, as they are on a similar level as any other model anyways. However you would measure upwards to units standing on higher floors in ruins, wouldn't you?

It was an attempt at sarcasm.

So your honestly suggesting I assualt a Valk, punch it with a PF, it explodes then my guys assaulting cannot possibly be hit by the explosion.

Of course they can possibly be hit, if they are withing the D6 explosion range. Only if the explosion radius is very small they might go unharmed. Remember the bottom side of the valk is part of its hull, too.