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My son and I are playing a 750 point battle tonight, HE vs Skaven, and I'm curious to know how strong Skaven are at that level because it seems like he has got heap more units on the field than me to the point where I think he'll just over run me. He has taken 2 big units of clanrats, a warp fire thrower, a poisoned wind mortar, rat ogres, an engineer/wizard, and a hero.....all I have is a level 2 mage, a unit of archers, a unit of spearmen, and a unit of Sword masters. Should I take cavalry, I think they are too expensive for a 750 point list?

Do you both have the army books and any additional models other then what comes with the Island of Blood set?

I have got the high elves book and a PDF of the skaven book


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Oh and we only have the island of blood set.

Blocks of 20 Skaven are kind of weak, at 5 wide they will still have low leadership. If you are looking for a list for him I would recommend this:


Chieftain -BSB -Shield -Dragonhelm -Dawnstone (Allows for leadership rerolls with the BSB also very defensive so he doesn't get attacks directed at him and get killed)
107

Warlock Engineer -Level 2 -Warp-Energy Condensor -Warpstone Armor (Have him roll for his spells if he gets one that is meh like Howling Wapgale or Skitter Leap he can replace it with Warp Lightning which works with the Warp-Energy Condensor)
150

20 Clanrats -Shields -FC -Poison Wind Mortar
175

20 Clanrats -Shields -Spears -FC -Warpfire Thrower
190

2 Rat Ogres -Master Bred -1xPackmaster -Master Moulder
128

It be nice if he could find 4 more pts to free up for a great weapon on that Master Moulder.

If he gets lucky with his warpfire thrower, poison wind mortar and casting he will destroy you, but you should win in combat and will break him due to his low leadership.

Drop the spears from the second clan rat units, count them as hand weapons. That gets 10 points back.

I might give him the extra 4 points he needs for the great weapon, then if he beats me I can say it was because I let him have extra points....haha

Anyway what about my high elf list....

Yeah and a parry save which he will need so. Also the prior list was illegal, ignore it 25% cap on heroes. So you could try:

Warlord -Shield -Weeping Blade -Dragon Helm -Luckstone
138

Warlock Engineer -Level 2 -Warp-Energy Condensor -Warpstone Armor (Have him roll for his spells if he gets one that is meh like Howling Wapgale or Skitter Leap he can replace it with Warp Lightning which works with the Warp-Energy Condensor)
150

20 Clanrats -Shields -FC -Poison Wind Mortar
175

20 Clanrats -Shields -FC -Warpfire Thrower
180

2 Rat Ogres -Master Bred -1xPackmaster
103


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As for your HE list, I really am not a fan of the monster mounts, you don't get the look out sir rolls and there is a chance that a good hit from warp lightning or the warp fire thrower could take him out without that roll. I would prefer a general on foot, but I don't have a HE book so I cannot be too helpful

Skaven without a BSB? Kinda risky, honestly. Still, that doesn't leave a whole lot left over for an Engineer, especially if you wanted a caster.

I'm not sure the Weeping Blade is worthwhile on a Warlord though. Better to go with the basic +1S sword. Might not get D3 wounds, but it's the same overall Armor Save modifier as AP, but also makes it easier to wound. (Wound any elf on a 2!)

187.5 is the lord cap at 750

I came up with this:

Chieftain -BSB -Shield -Dragon Helm -Luckstone
87

Warlock -Level 1 -Warpstone Armor -
95

182 Total

Some kind of protection is needed on that warlock as standard he is T3 with no saves

or you could go:

Chieftain -BSB -Shield
72

Warlock Engineer -Level 1 -Warp-Energy Condensor -Warpstone Armor
115

187 Total

The problem with 1 level 1 caster is you only have 1 spell, so you can guarantee your opponent is tossing all of his dispel dice at it, if you throw all your power dice you may get an IF and miscast of a weaker spell like Warp Lightning so:

Chieftain -BSB -Shield
72

Warlock Engineer -Level 2 -Tailsman of Protection
115

187 Total

This maybe the best bet level 2 so 2 spells to split your opponents dispel dice as well as better dispelling, a little less durable T3 with only a 6+ ward save, but it is what it is. Shield only on a BSB gives him a 4+ armor save and a 6+ ward save where with the other build he has a 3+ armor save (rerollable 1 time) and a 6+ parry save, as well as the 2+ ward save against flaming attacks.

There's no way you can make a legal army with the HEs anyway - characters too expensive, not enough Core.