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OK, I own IA8, and it's the only IA book I own. I'm confused as to how some of the forces work, in regards to the force org chart. Example:

First, it lists a bunch of Ork Forces, and breaks them down into Troops, Elites, etc (pp127-139). Pretty standard, except there is a bunch of stuff missing, both Codex: Orks (ie battlewagon) and IA specific (Big Trakk)

Then it has a compilation of all ork weapon options, which is again standard.

Then it kinda breaks down. They list a whole bunch of stuff in hitherto-unknown groupings (aircraft, bikes). In some slots they indicate what something may be used as in a Codex: Orks army (like Grot Tank Mob), but in many others it simply is not addressed. If I want to use a Grot Bomm Launcha or a Big Squiggoth, where do they go: how do I determine this?

The first part is the special army "Dread Mob", which is an alternativ ork army and stands by itself, so no other units may be added (also note special restrictions, different point costs and unit sizes). The second part is a listing of (almost) all ork vehicles, which are, unless stated otherwise or in the codex anyways, only usable in apocalypse game.

So both the Big Squiggoth and Grot Bomm Launchas are usually only used in apoc game. You can allways ask you opponent before the game if you may use them.

Although I appreciate the speed with which you answered, I'm not sure your answer is either accurate or complete.... Example: Lifta Wagon. It doesn't have a force org slot, and it has several weapons modes, one of which is specifically tagged Apocalypse only. If this unit were Apocalypse only, there would need to be no such note for that one weapon mode... right?


I don't want to get hung up on the Lifta Wagon specifically, as I'm concerned with the classification of many such units like that.

All the IA stuff is opponents permission so if you don't know where it should go just ask your opponents and everything is cool. The IA stuff is more guidelines than actual rules.

Aramoro wrote:All the IA stuff is opponents permission so if you don't know where it should go just ask your opponents and everything is cool. The IA stuff is more guidelines than actual rules.

I get that, but it doesn't answer my question. I decide to play a game of 40K where we can use any units in IA8. My opponent says sounds awesome. Now how do I organize my army, if I want to include a unit that doesn't have a force org entry? Where does the Grot Bomm Launcha go? It doesn't say apocalypse only, so it's clearly intended to be used in games of 40k. Or are you saying that IA units which do not explicitly fall under a force org entry in the prior section do not take up a slot on the force org chart? My opponent knows less about 40k then I do, so I can't just ask them. I'd rather read it in the rulebook and explain it from that.

The Lifta Wagon is listed as heavy support option for the dread mob (units before pg 140). As it does not state otherwise, it may not be used in a Codex:Orks army. A dread mob army could be used in any kind of WH40k game, so thats why the overload option is limited to apocalypse.

Aramoro: If a tourney allows IA books to be used, you would have to play by those rules Also, some gaming groups (mine for example) allows any units to be used if the IA books allow you to.


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Bottom line, as you have no clue where to put them in your FOC, you can only use them in a game that ignores the FOC (apoc).