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Factory

Ignore the Force organization Chart

Each player starts with 500 Points. Each player deploys as normal, then places a building or structure of some sort in their deployment zone. This counts as a Building with capacity of 0, no weapons, and an armor of 14. It is immune to the Lance and Melta rules.

Each turn after the first, this building generates 250 points to be used on reinforcements, which may be spent on any models to come in, up to a maximum of 1500 points. Dead units still count for terms of their point value. If the building is destroyed, it no longer generates points.

Units may Deep Strike, Outflank, or use any other means of appearing on the battlefield, appear on their army's table edge and walk on, or they may appear in base contact with the factory itself.

For larger games, you may use larger point values. Keep the values proportional: a 3000 point game means 500 points per turn.

Points may be saved up and spent on a later turn.

DakkaDakka wrote:

Hrm. That would be kind of mean.

DakkaDakka wrote:

Che-Vito wrote:

Are only Wrecked and Destroyed! results viable against it? If so, then glances are useless (relatively useless, at least.)

Sure, let's go with that.

Give the building structure points and roll on the apoc chart for explosion. Not sure how many structure points thoughh, 3 I reckon.

I've a suggestion.

Put similar buildings in no mans land; whoever "controls" the building can have their reinforcements come out from there.

perhaps you could make ALL factories capturable; imagine infilitrating with Genestealers, caputring a factory, and pumping out gaunts behind the enemies battle lines!

This evil super heavy loving titan legion constructing player loves it.
I think however that dead units should not count to the maximum-this would lead to a real battle.
Maybe a "base factory" for each player that produces double the number of points per turn.
Maybe have special "builder" units that can build more factorys or convert buildings to factorys.

Nice. This is beginning to sound like DOW! lol
I like the builder unit idea, maybe necrons could have tomb spiders, orks have big meks, or just mekboys, the marines have techmarines, guard have techpriests.

I think builder units is pushing it a little bit, it would make the rules too complicated. Just the structure that pumps out units is good.

But here's another question: Do we have to spend the points immediately, or do they accumulate? I'd assume they would accumulate, but would there be a maximum accumulated number?

What about units that allow reserves to come onto the board more quickly, like an Eldar Autarch? Does that merit special consideration?

Going with structure points sounds like the most viable option, simply because, as stated, a Tau broadside team could immediately pop it, or a nicely positioned Dragon Wagon could rip it to shreds.

What about unique units? If my Avatar dies, can I resummon another one? What about individual units, like one of the Bloods Angels' units?

After a unit arrives out of the factory, can it move? How else can it arrive? Deep Strike? Outflanking? Infiltrate? If its scouts, does it get an extra movement phase when it comes out of the factory?

How will this game be played? Kill points? Objectives? Destroy the Factory?

There are a lot of questions that will come up, but this sounds like an amazing game mode. Don't get discouraged.

blackshark121 wrote:I think builder units is pushing it a little bit, it would make the rules too complicated. Just the structure that pumps out units is good.

But here's another question: Do we have to spend the points immediately, or do they accumulate? I'd assume they would accumulate, but would there be a maximum accumulated number? They Accumulate. I said they can be saved and spent later.

What about units that allow reserves to come onto the board more quickly, like an Eldar Autarch? Does that merit special consideration?No special bonuses, sorry.

Going with structure points sounds like the most viable option, simply because, as stated, a Tau broadside team could immediately pop it, or a nicely positioned Dragon Wagon could rip it to shreds. To be completely honest, I don't know how SP work. I'll look them up.

What about unique units? If my Avatar dies, can I resummon another one? What about individual units, like one of the Bloods Angels' units? Nope. One unique unit per battle.

After a unit arrives out of the factory, can it move? How else can it arrive? Deep Strike? Outflanking? Infiltrate? If its scouts, does it get an extra movement phase when it comes out of the factory? "Units may Deep Strike, Outflank, or use any other means of appearing on the battlefield, appear on their army's table edge and walk on, or they may appear in base contact with the factory itself." They can't Infiltrate and don't get Scout moves, those are only at the start of the battle. Everything else is good.

How will this game be played? Kill points? Objectives? Destroy the Factory? Whatever you like.

There are a lot of questions that will come up, but this sounds like an amazing game mode. Don't get discouraged.

Answers in bold

I'm going to say no to Builder units.

I was actualy thinking of the "builders" being something like a specialy converted veihcle
heres some stats

pts 450(?)

BS3* F13 S11 R10

structure points 3**

weapons
none***

special rules

lumbering behmoth

builder
this veihcle can construct factorys from scratch aswellas convert ruined buildings into factorys.
the amount of turns you spend building is equal to the amount of points you want the factory to produce divided by 100
for example a builder is assighned to build a factory capable of producing 250pts a turn.
250 divide by 100 = 2.5 turns. all .5s are rounded up to the next highest number so in this case it would take 3 turns to build.
if converting a ruined building then cut the time in half.
the builder cant move or shoot whilst building.

*use the standard BS of your force e.g. 2 for orks 3 for guard 4 for marines ect

**this is obviously a super heavy veihcle and so should look it-I.E. convert it from a Baneblade

***ive not given it weapons as its primary role is not to fight but to build but feel free to give it whatever weapons you want for the appropiate cost(s) of course.

No.

No builder units.

i just thought itd be an interesting variation you know as in having the capability to build stuff.
mabey even defences using the same method for for working out how long it takes to build but this time using the points cost of the defence.
e.g. a defence costing 250pts would take 3 turns to build.

master of ordinance wrote:i just thought itd be an interesting variation you know as in having the capability to build stuff.
mabey even defences using the same method for for working out how long it takes to build but this time using the points cost of the defence.
e.g. a defence costing 250pts would take 3 turns to build.

3 turns in more than half a normal game isn't it?


Besides, I think the rules for having a building on each side that grants points to be spent as the game goes is a brilliant idea and should be kept as simple as possible to avoid it becoming a hard to play scenario.

Of cause, as the bulding is immune to lance, melta and glances doesn't that wreck some armies chances of destroying it? (eg: DE, missle and melta spam armies, any other armies with out access or lack of S9+ weaponry)

wizard12 wrote:

master of ordinance wrote:i just thought itd be an interesting variation you know as in having the capability to build stuff.
mabey even defences using the same method for for working out how long it takes to build but this time using the points cost of the defence.
e.g. a defence costing 250pts would take 3 turns to build.

3 turns in more than half a normal game isn't it?


Besides, I think the rules for having a building on each side that grants points to be spent as the game goes is a brilliant idea and should be kept as simple as possible to avoid it becoming a hard to play scenario.

Of cause, as the bulding is immune to lance, melta and glances doesn't that wreck some armies chances of destroying it? (eg: DE, missle and melta spam armies, any other armies with out access or lack of S9+ weaponry)

Melta can still glance it to death. DE are gak outta luck though.

I would imagine that the buildings are being constructed rapidly so dont have the addiditional defences against that stuff.
I also think this unit would be more appropiate for special games scenarios E.G. were the builder has to construct X amount of stuff.

No additional factories, it just gets too complex.

You know you guys can still kill the army that comes out of it all you like. Don't need to kill it.

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:No additional factories, it just gets too complex.

You know you guys can still kill the army that comes out of it all you like. Don't need to kill it.

But it makes sense that, if you can spare the firepower, you could destroy the factory and make the battle that much easier.

I think having shaken and stunned results should reduce the effectiveness of the factory so as to make it worthwhile, even if it doesn't blow up.

For example, a shake/stun would reduce output by 50, Weapon Destroyed/Immobilized by 100, and destroyed removes a structure point (remove all structure points to destroy the building). The point decreases would only be for one turn though.

Also, DE could destroy the building with a voidraven Bomber - Str 9 Void lances.

EDIT: I would also set no limit to game turns - play until one wide wins by destroying the factory and the army.