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I am converting some mounted Black templars on armoured horses. and before sticking the weapons on i was thinking of rules....

bearing in mind IG rough riders cost 55 points for a squad with laspistols and one use hunting lances (sergent can upgrade to a power weapon for +10 and 2 rr can upgrade to plasma/flamer/multi meltas for 15/5/10 points respectively) and BT space marine bikers cost 32 points per bike come with twin linked bolters and and 3 can upgrade to power weapons for +10 (amongst others)

I propose

Using largely the Rough riders rules e.g
BS/WS/S/T/I at 3

but with armour saves of SM bikers

SV 3+ and Ld7

Modeled with bolt pistols counting as las pistols and all 5 models having power weapons for 25 points with a +10 for each power weapon so 35 a model 175 a squad versus the 55 points a rough riders squad would cost and 192 points (5 bikes 3 power weapons / 212 points for 5 bikes 5 power weapons-though not allowed) for space marines.

let us know if you think this is fair, kind regards

I dunno why you would downgrade to a laspistol... one of my brothers is mounting his marines on Cold Ones and we're just gonna make them count-as bikers, so I don't see why you wouldn't just do that (unless you want to use the hunting lances).

just making it seem fairer.

reckon ive got myself a solution. just get another horse and have 2 3horse squads and then everyone can upgrade to a power weapon + bolt pistol to represent a twin linked bolt pistols and just forego a bolter shot....

seems easier

I would have used BT scouts (forget what the BT versions are called) as they fit the idea better.

neophytes can only be used as part of a tactical/combat squad, they have lower armour saves etc

And why would any marine be WS/BS/S/T/I 3? Just doesn't work IMO.

optometris wrote:neophytes can only be used as part of a tactical/combat squad, they have lower armour saves etc

Yes but that's where the horse comes in. It's like with TWC, both the rider and mount are represented with one stat line.

So while a normal neophyte would have a weaker armor save a neophyte riding on a armored warhorse (if you did armor) would have an increase armor save as a result. The same could be said for the other stat differances between a neophyte and a Initiate. This would let you represent BT biker marines as Neophytes on warhorses and have fluff support.

And from a fluff point of view you could put one Initiate on a horse and have it be that he is training them to become bikers but they aren't allowed to use actual bikes untill they're ready.