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Stella NC

Post your squat pics/projects/conversions/discussions/ etc here.

I've always liked the little buggers but they've always been hard to come across. I plan on building a small Squat detachment to supplement my Imperial Guard. I'm probably just going to make 2-3 veteran squads, a Thunderer Squad, Rapier Team, and some Exo Armour squads for Close Combat since IG is pretty lousy at that. I'm working on casting some Exo Armour minis as well since they are hard to come by and cost an arm and a leg when you do come across them. I have some 1/72 scale tanks I got in a trade. I might field them as Sentinels.

Here are my first projects, a veteran Sgt with a power/bolt pistol and a rapier team.
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That Sarge is a beauty!

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Not exactly Squats, but these are available in my webstore now (link in sig):







I'm currently painting them up so I'll post pics when they're done

Hope you like!


Stuart

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Those are definitely sweet Stuart. I can't wait to see them painted up.

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I should also add that they are all sculpted by me...


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Silent_Spectre wrote:I should also add that they are all sculpted by me...


Stuart
You Sir, are awesome.

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Please don't post copyright breaching posts on Dakka. Many thanks.


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Invicta wrote:Stuart those are awesome! Any tips on casting? I tried casting some exo armour dudes, not working out so good. I'm going on to my third try. The first one came out horrible. The second time was much better but a lot but the sides didn't come out too great.
Wow! That's fantastic! How'd you do that?

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Honestly, I'm not going to help you recast miniatures (whether they are OOP or not) that YOU do not hold the copyright or IP rights for. I am, however, going to encourage you to buy my minis

I spin cast using a white metal alloy, and I'm still learning myself.


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Stella NC

I don't think there is anything illegal about re-casting mini's for personal use. I own the mini I don't intend to sell any re-casts.

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I do Hopefully this will help here is my converted IG Squats army that I am working on it has been a labour of love for quite some time now.

54th Massachusetts Miners (Volunteer Infantry)

The Theme.
I have been pondering over My 40k Squats for a while now, and there is a lot of options available within the current pages of the IG codex. By believing the propaganda, the Squats homeworlds were extinct and wiped out long ago but surely other colonies would have survive outside their home worlds. For me the only way forward as to organiser a fighting force is to be incorporated into the Imperial guard and to that effect, that is the policy that I wish to sign up to.

Squats evolved from the human miners and explorers sent to reap the mineral wealth at the center of the galaxy. The high gravity environment, combined with the punishing mining conditions eventually changed their morphology. The subsequent generations became gradually shorter and stockier. The Squat Home Worlds were isolated from the rest of humanity during the Age of Isolation. When they were reunited with the rest of the Imperium, wars were launched against them in the belief that they were aliens. Eventually the Squats were accepted, along with other abhumans, as being human in nature. They are now considered a separate race, though they are fundamentally human.

Film Glory, is going to be at the heart of its theme which centres around the first black regiment that was in the American Civil War.

And if you haven't seen it yet I highly recommend you do.

The 54th Army Background

The regiment was one of the first official Squats units in the Imperial Guard to see, and fight on the frontline. Squats up until that moment were used as slave labor on many years and fought against prejudice and racism from other Imperial citizens and soldiers within its ranks.

The Squats were never going to see combat. They were seen as a race of a bygone age not worthy of front-line service fighting for the Emperor, and If not for Colonel Shaw’s father, they never would have. The 54th was controversial, many people supported the abolition of slavery, but still treated Squats as lesser or inferior to humans, and would do so even today.

Though some claimed Squats could not fight as well as humans, the actions of the 54th demonstrated once again the fallacy in that argument, as this was not the first time Squats ever fought in wars or even for the Imperial guard. Many had fought in manyimperium Revolution on both fighting sides.

To War And Service
Colonel Shaw pulled every string that he could to get his Squats to the front line. His wish was granted by his father and the 54th Massachusetts miners was sent to assist in the attack on Fort WHAAGH Wagner, and massive structure that had stood the test of time in its defiance against all opposition thrown against it. Upon his arrival, Colonel Shaw volunteered his regiment to lead and spearheaded the assault. Which would go down in history.

The Battles for Fort WHAAGH Wagner
The most famous regiment that fought in the battle of Fort WHAAGH Wagner was the 54th Massachusetts Miners (Volunteer Infantry) regiment, which was one of the first Squats regiments in the war and gained it recognition throughout the imperium. The attack from the outset was ill planned and suicidal. Over half of the Squats that charged with the 54th were lost. Consequently, Fort WHAAGH Wagner was never taken by any assault After the battle, Ork Boys buried the regiment's commanding officer, Colonel Shaw, in a mass grave with the Squats soldiers of his regiment, viewing this as an insult to him, Instead, his regiment thanked the ork boys for burying Shaw with his men something that would not be forgotten that day but remembered and revenged on many worlds in the future.

Which is one of the regiments battlecry (Your Not Forgotten But Revenged)

The mass grave at Fort WHAAGH Wagner no longer exists, the site has eroded, almost deleted from record, but the remains of Colonel Shaw and his Squats live on in the actions of heroism, that the Squats demonstrate when fighting to day.

William Carney, an sergeant with the 54th, is considered the first Squat recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor for his actions that day in recovering and returning the unit's Flag to Imperial lines and with that one of the most respected positions within the regiment is a flag carrier.

Pay controversy
The enlisted Squats of the 54th were recruited on the promise of pay and allowances equal to their human counterparts. This was supposed to amount to subsistence and 13 imperium credits a month. Instead Squats soldiers were paid 10 credits a month with 3 credits withheld for clothing, equaling 7 credits in the end of the month. (Human troops had nothing withheld from their monthly in the up the difference in pay, on principle, a regiment-wide boycott of the pay tables on paydays became the norm.

The 54th Today
From that date the regiment has increased in size and number and stature within the 40th Corps and it forms an integral part of military operations within the sector.

Today the 54th is fighting machine that is currently involved in many conflicts throughout the imperium. And forms a part of the Imperial Guards 40th Corps. Volunteering is at the very heart of the regiment. They have the reputation of being one of the most resilient regiments within the 40th Corps and normally volunteered there service when normal imperium soldiers would shy away.


With that in mind. Here is mine




The Homeworlds, however, maintained trade and mutual assistance with the Imperium, trading military hardware, allowing military advisors to join their armies, and sending recruits to the Adeptus Mechanicus.















The artillery pieces of which Pyroboliko are comprised are usually converted heavy mining equipment, and are of one of two types: earthquake generating Seismos cannons, or burrowing Siragka mortars.










To see more
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I'll reiterate: casting copies of miniatures YOU DO NOT OWN THE COPYRIGHT OR IP RIGHTS FOR IS ILLEGAL. Stating 'they're just for personal use' does not change the fact you are breaking the law. In order to legally do this you need the explicit authorisation of the copyright holder - try writing to Games Workshop and see how far you get...

Before I get shouted down on here, I AM NOT DEFENDING GW; they are big enough to defend themselves! I am writing as a miniatures producer - I could not sustain my business if people were recasting my miniatures wholesale, whether for personal use or to sell on. My personal view is that this is a practise that should be stopped within the hobby.

I might very well be in the minority for holding these views, but I work hard to come up with the designs for my minis, I work hard sculpting them and I work hard to cast them. For someone to recast them (poorly) after the fact would totally undermine my effort.


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Stella NC

Unite All Nations - I like the storyline. Those are some great conversions! I think I might have to get some Warhammer Dwarfs and try some of the same. What are you going to use the Thud Guns as?

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Okay so, I just got back from GW, and while I was there I asked the Manager weather you were allowed to recast models for personal use, and he said that as long as you did not resell them, it was legel to do so!

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Dawi-Marine'Va wrote:Okay so, I just got back from GW, and while I was there I asked the Manager weather you were allowed to recast models for personal use, and he said that as long as you did not resell them, it was legel to do so!

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Something tells me that GW Store Manager doesn't have a Law Degree.

   
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em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Dawi-Marine'Va wrote:Okay so, I just got back from GW, and while I was there I asked the Manager weather you were allowed to recast models for personal use, and he said that as long as you did not resell them, it was legel to do so!

( )


Something tells me that GW Store Manager doesn't have a Law Degree.


I lol'd, I can't see much happinging without you trying to sell them and rip off GW.

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Dawi-Marine'Va wrote:Okay so, I just got back from GW, and while I was there I asked the Manager weather you were allowed to recast models for personal use, and he said that as long as you did not resell them, it was legel to do so!


Please remember that GW store managers aren't a source of information for anything. Though they tend to be nice people and create a good atmosphere in their stores, they diverge widely on even their ability to interpret rules for GW games. They're not experts nor are they an authority on much else besides how to run a store.

I used to game with a copyright attorney and he explained how miniature copyrights work like this.

If you create a three dimensional object, you own what is called an artistic copyright on that object. If anyone makes a copy of that object without the expressed legal permission (usually in writing) of the original artist, they are now violating the artistic copyright of the original creator. This absolutely pertains to any miniature you can buy from any game company. It also pertains to toys, salt shakers in the shapes of birds, pen caps made to look like Disney characters, and pretty much anything that is a three dimensional object made and sold by anyone. I also believe the copyright last for something like 75 years from the date of the original creation, so it doesn't even matter that Squats have been out of print for over 15 years.

If you don't believe me, go write a letter to GW's legal department asking to cast old squats and watch what happens. It won't be pretty given how vicious they have been in defending their copyrights in the past.

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Silent_Spectre wrote:I'll reiterate: casting copies of miniatures YOU DO NOT OWN THE COPYRIGHT OR IP RIGHTS FOR IS ILLEGAL


Indeed. Please don't etc etc. ta.

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> it is always illegal to cast miniatures you don't own copyright to

Actually, I'd like to dispute this. Here's some situations that would seem to my layman's eye to fall under 'fair dealing':

1 - Ripping a Black Library CD to copy the audio recording onto an mp3 player for private use.

2 - Drawing an abstract picture of a Carnifex to put on your wall for private use.

3 - Drawing a picture of a Carnifex, copied verbatim from an illustration published by GW, to put on your wall for private use.

4 - Scanning and printing an illustration of a Carnifex, published by GW, to put on your wall for private use.

5 - Sculpting a GS generic Squat for private use.

6 - Sculpting a GS Squat that looks identical to a GW sculpt for private use.

7 - Making a mould and casts of said sculpt for private use.

8 - Making a mould and casts of a GW Squat sculpt for private use.

9 - Making an educational guide or video instructing others how to do any one of the above for private use.



Of course, corporate legal departments on hair triggers are always keen to clamp down where they can, by fair means or foul. The fact that an act might well fall within the law doesn't mean GW can't go to court and start a 'let's see who runs out of money first' contest to shut up a website or person it takes a dislike to. So whilst I see no illegality in any of the above, I'd certainly refrain from using Dakka as a forum for posting 9 or displaying any achievements I may have accomplished similar to 7 or 8. You wouldn't post a scandex here, even if you did own a paper copy.

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Thank you for all the legal advisement in regards to the casts. My orginal intention for this forum was to discuss and show off our vertically challenged brethren! Dakkadakka has kindly deleted my squat casts whether they were illegal or not. At this point I don't care. The casts were destroyed and will not be discussed anymore by myself. I would like everyone to just move on and post their squat projects! Thanks for all the interest and keep up the good work!


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Winterdyne. That's an awesome job and I wish I could get my hands on one of those minis for myself.

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I finished my new Sergeant tonight. Threw in some pics of my other two Sgts and some other Squats I had painted up previously. You can't blame a guy for carrying an AK-47, even in the 41st Millenium!
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looking good I like the colour scheme

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Silent_Spectre wrote:I'll reiterate: casting copies of miniatures YOU DO NOT OWN THE COPYRIGHT OR IP RIGHTS FOR IS ILLEGAL. Stating 'they're just for personal use' does not change the fact you are breaking the law. In order to legally do this you need the explicit authorisation of the copyright holder - try writing to Games Workshop and see how far you get...

Before I get shouted down on here, I AM NOT DEFENDING GW; they are big enough to defend themselves! I am writing as a miniatures producer - I could not sustain my business if people were recasting my miniatures wholesale, whether for personal use or to sell on. My personal view is that this is a practise that should be stopped within the hobby.

I might very well be in the minority for holding these views, but I work hard to come up with the designs for my minis, I work hard sculpting them and I work hard to cast them. For someone to recast them (poorly) after the fact would totally undermine my effort.


I think there's a bit of a difference between recasting figures that people are currently manufacturing and recasting figures that are 20 years old, are out of production and where it's been made very clear will never go into production ever again, most likely because the moulds have been destroyed.
   
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Howard A Treesong wrote:I think there's a bit of a difference between recasting figures that people are currently manufacturing and recasting figures that are 20 years old, are out of production and where it's been made very clear will never go into production ever again, most likely because the moulds have been destroyed.


Legally there is no difference. Artistic copyrights last for decades and making a cast of an oop mini is still illegal. I too am not trying to protect GW, but I am all for protecting the small mini producers who don't deserve to have their stuff copied illegally.

 
   
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I'm not commenting on the specific legality of recasting but I rather think Spectre is getting worked up and taking offence over something that won't affect him.

I fully support small manufacturers in fighting recasting but someone only recasting decades-old OOP figures that will never see re-release can't affect him, what's the problem? His business will never suffer as a result of this approach to recasting.

Put it this way, I'm prepared to overlook recasting models that are not available to buy and GW refuse to make available or that they have even destroyed the moulds for. Yup that's illegal but I don't think it's harmful. Models that are in production are perfectly easy to obtain, there's no need to recast unless you want them cheap and that makes you nothing more than a parasite IMO. That's not a good reason to recast IMO, you are effectively leaching off the current products that the company needs to survive.

I didn't want to turn this into a recasting debate thread, I do support Silent_Spectre's right to be the only person producing his own sculpts and not to have people undermining his business. But recasting 20 year old models from a scrapped range is not the sort of activity that undermines businesses.
   
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Howard A Treesong wrote:But recasting 20 year old models from a scrapped range is not the sort of activity that undermines businesses.


Sure it does. You're now recasting models instead of buying models from someone, either GW or another company. So you are indeed costing them money even by recasting 20 year old models. A perfect example of this is the person who posted pics above who scratch built Squats out of existing GW models. GW made money from him, based on their artistic license which is part of their game. When your recast old models, GW loses money. Again, I'm not trying to defend GW, but the law is a good place to set a line not to cross because it's a slippery slope between casting GW's stuff and someone else's.

 
   
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Unite all Nations -

Thanks. I never thought about it but they kind of have the color scheme of Southern Army during the American Civil War. Do you plan on painting the 54th navy blue?

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Kasrkinlegion wrote:Sure it does. You're now recasting models instead of buying models from someone, either GW or another company. So you are indeed costing them money even by recasting 20 year old models. A perfect example of this is the person who posted pics above who scratch built Squats out of existing GW models. GW made money from him, based on their artistic license which is part of their game. When your recast old models, GW loses money.


GW isn't losing money if you were never going to spend it with them. Just because a person recasts an old figure doesn't mean they are denying GW a sale. Someone wanting an OOP figure may very well not see any current GW figure as a suitable alternative. The suggestion that every recast denies GW a figure sold doesn't add up. I mean I'm after many of the 54mm inquisitor figures, GW don't do most of them any more, but if I got myself a recast Genestealer have GW lost money? No, because there's nothing GW do that I would have bought instead.

Take one of the most well known limited edition figures, Sergeant Centurius. GW will never make it again, also there's no alternative to the official figure, anything in the current range isn't Sergeant Centurius. So how is recasting that taking money from GW, you haven't not bought a figure from them because you got the recast. If you hadn'y got the recast the number of figures you bought from GW would be the same - none.

By your argument buying any non-GW space dwarves or scratch building you own figures to use as squats is effectively making GW lose money because you're using their artistic licence while passing no money their way. GW don't lose money when you make recasts of their age-old stuff, you only deny them 'potential money', and frankly how likely that potential sale they have supposedly lost out on would have actually occurred without the recast is very debatable. I would say in many cases of the obscure and unique models a person not making a recast would have bought absolutely nothing at all.


On my mind at the moment is recasting old metal RT marine backpacks. I have loads of marines and no backpacks, for some reason they frequently seem to be lost on second-hand figures. What am I supposed to do? GW don't make those backpacks any more and the new ones are inappropriate, they are far too oversized and the aesthetic is all wrong. I need about 50, they appear in dribs and drabs on eBay, it'll take forever and cost a fortune to get hold of enough. But until I have backpacks for them all I can't make the figures. GW lose nothing if I recast the few that I have, because GW offer nothing suitable that I could use in their place.

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