Ruckdog wrote:Well, I have finally decided to start a second 40k army, using the SM codex to make a Novamarines army. Why Novamarines? I really like the blue & bone quartered scheme, plus I already have several BFG ships painted up in the chapter's colors. Given the BFG connection, I am planning this army to represent the 4th Company (who's captain is traditionally that chapter's Master of the Fleet, if I understand the fluff right). Overall, I'm trying to make an all-comers list that does a few things differently from my mech IG army (like assault ability, psychic powers, etc).

Here is the first draft of my list:

SM Captain w/ Terminator armor and Thunder Hammer - 140----If you want a beat stick Captain with TH---might as well go Lysander. He's the best beat stick they have---comes with a Storm Shield----EW---4 wounds---Str. 10 Hammer, etc. He is the TH monster you want. Otherwise, drop the TH and go with a relic blade/LC or something else to take advantage of the Captain's high initiative. I would heartily suggest Lysander though-----he's very good.


SM Librarian w/ Terminator armor - 125------If you're going to take a Libby in Term armor---might as well give him a SS. It's relatively cheap and gives you a good save for HTH---and perils if you roll bad. What powers you taking? I would definitely suggest Null Zone---then maybe Avenger?

2x Dreadnought w/ AC, Heavy Flamer, and Drop Pod - 320---I don't believe in AC Dreads that pod. I would leave him with a base MM and run him behind your rhinos for a 4+ cover save. Drop dreads generally end up melta'd dreads. AC can be ok----but again just run it behind a rhino. If you really like drop dreads----try the Ironclad. He can drop close for melta range---and AV 13 v. AV 12 is a big difference.

Terminator Assault Squad w/ LR - 450---Give it the MM (It's cheap and can be machine spirited for a good range). Also---this is the only case where you always give it EA. Too many points in there for it to be stunned. I would put your libby in here----but never disgorge with the Terms against tough opponents. Just let him squat in there and cast null zone to give you the edge against big bad guys and other TH/SS Terms.

3x Tac Squad w/ Heavy Flamer, Missle Launcher, and Rhino - 750----I'm assuming you meant flamer--not heavy flamer? If so---that all looks great!

2x Land Speeder w/ Heavy Flamer & Multi-Melta - 120----Excellent!

2x Land Speeder w/ Heavy Flamer & Multi-Melta - 120----Excellent!

Predator w/ TL Lascannon - 105----I believe in two different Preds in the Vanilla dex. You have the AT Version (Auto cannon---two las sponsons) or the Dakka version (Auto cannon---two heavy bolter sponsons). Twin linked las is pretty inefficient (You hit on a 3 anyways)---plus one weapon destroyed and you have a metal box. I would suggest one of the two before mentioned builds.

(For those of you who are interested, I have uploaded the Army Builder HTML file here: http://andysrandomstuff.com/wh40k/lists/NovamarinesMkI.htm)

So, at this point I am hoping for advice on the units I'm thinking about taking, since I don't have a real thorough understanding of the codex yet. I have a few general ideas of things I would like to take, based on how well I've seen these units perform in other players' armies:

-Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod: 1Tthis combo seems like an awesome disruption weapon, since it puts an assaulty dread right in the face of the enemy).

-Tactical Squad w/Rhino: Rhinos are a solid transport for 35 pts, and the tactical squads strike me as good general purpose units. Plus: Troops!

- Land Speeders - My experience with my vendetta in my IG army has shown me the utility of fast skimmers.

Other units I would like to include that I'm not so sure about:

- HQ: I chose a SM captain with a thunder hammer, as I'd love to have the Master of the Fleet model running around, and I'm also intrigued by the Librarian. However, I do like some of the army-wide buffs that the named characters provide.

-Land Raider + Termies: I really like the models and fluff for this combo, not to mention its ability to chew through things in close combat. However, I'm concerned about the points cost involved in fielding it.

So, I welcome any input you all have. Since this is going to be my secondary army, I'm trying to get my list down before I start buying models so that I only pick up exactly what I need. Thanks in advance!

AgeOfEgos wrote:Well, not to say you should 'always' pick a power-----but Null Zone just wrecks armies dude. You can throw your TH/SS terms against pretty much anyone else given your TH are MC---and then cast Null Zone to make them re-roll their Inv. I've seen my Terms taken down quick to that power.

Against Daemons it's equally devastating---especially when it's cast from a Crusader that is putting out all that rapid fire. It's almost always useful anymore---so I would strongly suggest Null Zone for one---the other is up to you really---as your thoughts seem as valid as any other power. One thing to consider is when the power is cast (IE Two shooting psychic powers in the shooting phase---means only one will be cast all game).

I think Crusaders are superior to Godhammers for Th/SS transport----but given that I still run my pre-heresy Godhammer because of aesthetics, so *shrug*....it's up to you .

Xicsess wrote:A quick note on the land speeders, they are actually 70 pts per model with how you have it set up. Check your codex if Army builder is lying to you.

Other than that; I would either go double vindicators or double preds. Having redundancies built into the list has always been more effective for me than one of each.