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This is my question, what would happen if our world would meet the IoM?

What would happen if suddenly, the IoM discovered our existence?

Would they ignore us?

Would they declare us heretics and launch an exterminatus on our as***?

Would they simply try to invade us? Or would they just send envoys from the Mechanicus to study us and Priests to convert us peacefully to the IoM?

Would we have anything interesting for the IoM? Like technology or resources?

And how would we react if the IoM tried to spread its dominion on our world? Would we fight back with everything we have? Or would we try to negotiate?



What are your thoughts Dakkanauts?

1: If the Imperium "met" our world, that is to say they actually sent representatives for some reason, they would probably "negotiate" our integration into the Imperium of Man.

2: If they found out about our existence, the first thing they'd do is send a member of the Missionary Galaxia down to Earth (assuming Earth isn't the same as Terra here, of course) to begin to convert our population, carefully and subtly inserting the Imperium and the Emperor into our various religions, and judging how much, if any, taint of chaos the world might have.

3: Not likely. Our world has potential to be turned into an agg-world.

4: Again, not likely.

5: It's possible they would invade. But why would they send envoys from the Mechanicus? They're basically a separate entity do the Imperium. If the Mechanicus wanted to study our technology, they'd do that on their own terms. But they certainly would send priests-- or more appropriately, the Missionary Galaxia, a special type of priest trained in subverting entire world's cultures-- to convert us.

6: Lots of arable farmland and clean water to be sure. They might be interested in some of our weapons (the GAU 8/A for example) but it's not likely that they would adopt anything from our world in our lifetime, instead simply letting us use our stubber technology if we didn't choose to upgrade to the las/auto/bolt tech the Imperium favors.

7: Depends on how they did it. We'd fight back if there was war, but we'd lose. Our world is fractured by opposing and separate militaries with no viable command structure to unite us, and our armies are measured in the hundreds of thousands. That's just a minor deployment for the Guard. That doesn't even account for the equipment differences-- flak armor is superior to anything we have today (not just in protection, but also in weight, our basic combat vests weigh more than a full flak armor suit, which includes boots, greaves, chest and back plates, shoulders, hands, and head), and lasguns are superior to modern assault rifles (in terms of power, accuracy, durability, reliability, and ammunition-- stubber/autogun ammo is a bit more adaptable due to special ammunition however). Imperial Artillery is just as effective as ours if not more effective, but more mobile and better armored. Imperial tanks (or rather, the Leman Russ) are about as fast as the Abrams, but better armored and armed. Imperial aerospace assets are generally superior to our aircraft in pretty much every way. Imperial space assets ARE better in every way. The Imperium also has psykers, while we don't, as well as having energy weapon technology which we do not have and have no counter against because of it.

Now, if they converted us subtly and peacefully as they tend to do, it would be a gradual change over generations, as the Emperor as god and imperium as our progenitor is slowly inserted into our culture, readying us for acceptance into the Imperium at large.

Wait,... i thaught terra was just earth in the 40K millennia
So, i thaught the IoM was just us in the future??

Moving thread to 40K General Discussion.

Melissia is spot on. The Imperium has ten thousand years of experience in bringing new planets to compliance. They don't immediately go to war or declare themselves masters of the new system, as mentioned, they use a gradual process, often allowing worlds to be run independently while meeting their Imperial tithes of food, raw materials, weapons, men or whatever it is the world can provide.

jelisi wrote:Wait,... i thaught terra was just earth in the 40K millennia
So, i thaught the IoM was just us in the future??

The situation he's positing is that Earth ISN'T Terra.

Thanks for moving the thread KK.

jelisi wrote:Wait,... i thaught terra was just earth in the 40K millennia
So, i thaught the IoM was just us in the future??

Yeah, I know, but let's just ignore that fact for the moment, I'm simply wondering how our world and the IoM would deal with each other.


EDIT: Sorry, melissia, your post came while I was writing mine. I didn't notice it.

As we are pure humans, we would be shown the light of the Emporer and inducted. We would then by required to raise IG regiments, and send them off to the frontline. Over and over again.

winnertakesall wrote:As we are pure humans, we would be shown the light of the Emporer and inducted. We would then by required to raise IG regiments, and send them off to the frontline. Over and over again.

But don't you think that this would not be accepted by our population?

I believe that in our world, we have an extremely great sense of Nationalism and (in some cases) a great attachment to democracy. Thus, sooner or later, people would rise against the IoM and we would refuse to pay tithes, send our boys to death against nids, etc.

In addition, our cultures have a great reluctance to accept military losses (losing a dozen soldiers in one day in Afghanistan would be viewed as a disaster by our medias and political figures), do you think the IoM would be able to raise proper IG regiments from us?

Well I bet a significant amount of our population would not be recruited into the Space Marine/Imperial Guard program since we have a problem with obesity.

Lord Scythican wrote:Well I bet a significant amount of our population would not be recruited into the Space Marine/Imperial Guard program since we have a problem with obesity.

Best answer ever

We aren't talking about a cultural conversion that would take a year or less. The Imperium would convert our culture subversively over generations.

They'd gradually pull us into the Imperial Yoke, at which point our governments would either accept complete absorption into the IoM despite its abuses as they see how much stronger it is, or they reject and try to stage a revolt. In which case the vast majority of us would die.

It wouldn't come to Exterminatus, we have too many resources for them to do that. However eventually it'd certainly come to an invasion I'd say. In which case the vast majority of us would die.

The Imperium indeed devastates semi-advanced to advanced human civilizations that resist its domination. Just look at what Macharius did to Adrantis Five in the Macharian Crusade. He basically committed a mass genocide.

Melissia wrote:We aren't talking about a cultural conversion that would take a year or less. The Imperium would convert our culture subversively over generations.

Exactly. But they would probably start with getting rid of the big ones. McDonald's would probably be destroyed.

Indeed, McDonald's is wasteful and unhealthy.

Melissia wrote:Indeed, McDonald's is wasteful and unhealthy.

They are trying with those little yogurt happy meals that nobody buys though. I am so buying a happy meal today. I want me one of those Littlest Pet Shop toys to convert into a Khorne Deamon.

Supposing we did have contact with them. Would we retain the curiosity that we have now to take things apart and tinker rather than accept the standard templates as gospel? Could we fix an improve upon the designs of high technology, ushering in a new dawning of man because we're not afraid to take apart a plasma gun to see how it ticks?

I'd certainly hope so.

Laodamia wrote:

winnertakesall wrote:As we are pure humans, we would be shown the light of the Emporer and inducted. We would then by required to raise IG regiments, and send them off to the frontline. Over and over again.

But don't you think that this would not be accepted by our population?

I believe that in our world, we have an extremely great sense of Nationalism and (in some cases) a great attachment to democracy. Thus, sooner or later, people would rise against the IoM and we would refuse to pay tithes, send our boys to death against nids, etc.

In addition, our cultures have a great reluctance to accept military losses (losing a dozen soldiers in one day in Afghanistan would be viewed as a disaster by our medias and political figures), do you think the IoM would be able to raise proper IG regiments from us?

Ehh, I'm pretty sure were going to get shoved in a transport and sent somewhere whether we like it or not.

It's funny how cooperative we'd become when they have space ships in orbit with the ability to mist our major city centers, which I'm sure they'd do if we started raising a fuss.

It would depend on how large our tithe would be though. And how soon it would be put in place. In the grand scheme, were better off than some feral world, but we'd be nothing special in their eyes. Our large stockpiles of nukes might be of interest though.

Rebelling against an invading army or tyrannical government is one thing when it's local (on the planet) and a known quantity. But to a government that destroys entire planets and take out billions in the blink of an eye without leaving the world a radiated husk, I don't see our will to fight lasting very long.

That's not to mention the portion of the population that would embrace a first contact. "See Aliens to exist, and their human!!!"

I see us becoming a minor cog in the machine, with some possible items of interest but nothing really special.

Lonecoon wrote:Supposing we did have contact with them. Would we retain the curiosity that we have now to take things apart and tinker rather than accept the standard templates as gospel? Could we fix an improve upon the designs of high technology, ushering in a new dawning of man because we're not afraid to take apart a plasma gun to see how it ticks?

I'd certainly hope so.

That's a good point. It seems that our scientists are much more efficient than Mechanicus magi because they are not limited by these stupid religious beliefs. We are in a state of constant technological innovation, unlike the IoM.

Do you think the IoM would be interested in that and hire our best scientists?

Or would the AdMech get jealous and force our scientist into compliance and teach them the Cult of the Omnissiah?

Laodamia wrote:Thanks for moving the thread KK.

jelisi wrote:Wait,... i thaught terra was just earth in the 40K millennia
So, i thaught the IoM was just us in the future??

Yeah, I know, but let's just ignore that fact for the moment, I'm simply wondering how our world and the IoM would deal with each other.


EDIT: Sorry, melissia, your post came while I was writing mine. I didn't notice it.

Ow, sry i get it
They won't kill us because we are humans, maybe they will think we are heretics because none of us pray to the god emperor but to other "guys".

As a side note, the Imperial governor would probably move our people into the cities and wipe out the suburbs to make more room for farmland. We have very fertile soil and lots of land to use to produce food, after all, and the Imperium has superior methods and possibly superior crops too.

Laodamia wrote:Do you think the IoM would be interested in that and hire our best scientists?

Or would the AdMech get jealous and force our scientist into compliance and teach them the Cult of the Omnissiah?

That depends on if the world is donated to the mechanicus (which is unlikely given our agricultural potential).

Designing customized or even custom-designed guns and weapons is perfectly acceptable on many planets, for example. But they wouldn't be on a Mechanicus planet.