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I was looking at the Assault on Black Reach box set that it comes with little helicopters called Deffkoptas. And was wondering if the ever get used elsewhere as I don't recall so?

I am not entirely sure what you are asking.


Deffcoptas are a unit in the Ork Codex. They are used in regular games.

At the moment they are one of the most popular options for the Fast Attack FOC slot.

Most people take the Black Reach Copters and add a Buzz Saw to them and run them in three units of 1 copter each.

They were rarely if ever seen before AOBR came out, which might be why the confusion.

The old models were expensive, fugly and prone to breaking, so noone bothered.

The current GW models are still ugly if you don't get them in the black reach box.

Same models i was referring to

The AOBR ones are far superior, and easy to get ahold of in large amounts, relatively cheaply

Zakiriel wrote:I was looking at the Assault on Black Reach box set that it comes with little helicopters called Deffkoptas. And was wondering if the ever get used elsewhere as I don't recall so?

The humble deffkopta is a staple of many competitive ork builds. The AoBR box is about the only place you can get them.

notabot187 wrote:

Zakiriel wrote:I was looking at the Assault on Black Reach box set that it comes with little helicopters called Deffkoptas. And was wondering if the ever get used elsewhere as I don't recall so?

The humble deffkopta is a staple of many competitive ork builds. The AoBR box is about the only place you can get them.

Unless, as noted above, you want the silly metal ones...

They are invaluable as a great way to take down heavier armored enemies. i use them to take down vehicles. dreadnoughts, rhinos, and the like are taken down quickly if i hit i mean. with orks its hard to be good at shooting.

A single one or two in a unit with or without buzz saw are great harassing units, bigger units are a waste of points though as they are very vulnerable to tank shocks, pinning and 25% casualties-checks because of their bad leadership without option for a reroll.

Too true. but they are good at kamikaze missions taking out vehicles before footslogging orks can get to the fight. even rescue them from being shot at turn after turn from a vehicle with 20 shots per turn. (punisher cannon) im pretty sure three strength eight shots to the vehicles side armor might stop it in its tracks if not destroy its weapons so it won't kill off vital orks needed to help with needed leadership checks. gotta love weirdboys.

I've found that Deffkoptas are only to be used as three units of one deffkopta, or 3 units of 5 (bigger games of course).

That said, they are excellent kamikaze units. Perfect for an anti-tank alphastrike.

S_P

They're also great when you take a single one with a biker boss to soak up wounds.

*smashing face against desk*
Stop. Taking. Koptas. As. Suicide. Units. People.

Okay I am apparently the madboy around here who seems to think Koptas are well useless. I'd rather take warbikers or warbuggies for FA slots instead of 70pt suicide units that barely do anything.

You're not the only one Kaine, don't worry.

I also think that 70 points is a ridiculous amount of points to spend on a suicide unit, especially for Orks where we thrive on low-cost models. If you don't get first turn, your anti-tank alphastrike is useless.

I definitely do NOT think Koptas are useless. I've used them many times. I think they're better used to outflank and harass though.

Murrdox wrote:You're not the only one Kaine, don't worry.

I also think that 70 points is a ridiculous amount of points to spend on a suicide unit, especially for Orks where we thrive on low-cost models. If you don't get first turn, your anti-tank alphastrike is useless.

I definitely do NOT think Koptas are useless. I've used them many times. I think they're better used to outflank and harass though.

Thank goodness

Well okay koptas aren't ENTIRELY useless, it's just I have an issue as to what to use them for. If I want anti-tank I'd tank twin-rokkit buggies - more armour and still just as fast. If I wanted a superfast PK I'd take the warbikers instead since it's a better strength (8, 9 charging) and has more bodies. For harrassment again Warbikers - more bodies and hence more shots.

Outflanking harrassment though... a group of 5 just to fly in and cause some annoyance could be handy.

I ran a list awhile back that just had 3 individual Deff Koptas with Rokkits. If I got first turn I would typically outflank with 2 and scout forward with 1 and try for an early tank stun or destruction. If I went second, I'd outflank with all 3.

It was endlessly frustrating for opponents. 1 Deffkopta just isn't worth shooting at, and no flank is safe. This was especially effective against Eldar and Tau since I'd be chasing their skimmers around the board. Somewhat less effective against transports, since you generally want to hit those on turn 1 if you can. Turn 2 or 3 is usually too late.

If I'm not outflanking though, and I just want some cheap, highly mobile Rokkits, I go for Warbuggies.

Juvieus Kaine wrote:*smashing face against desk*
Stop. Taking. Koptas. As. Suicide. Units. People.

Okay I am apparently the madboy around here who seems to think Koptas are well useless. I'd rather take warbikers or warbuggies for FA slots instead of 70pt suicide units that barely do anything.

Im with you on this too...I used to use the koptas all the time and I just never liked them...personal preference really...Id take buggies before I took koptas! I say that having alpha struck with em numerous times and being alpha struck by em numerous times...

I think coptas are more survivable than buggies. T4(5) and two wounds is going to be around much longer than armor 10 all around and open topped. Though buggies are a lot cheaper.

The reason you never used to see them is because you can buy one metal copta for $33 or you can buy 3 on ebay for like $15. Plus the plastic models are just so much better.

I use both.

Buggies for frontal attack, and koptas for sneaky outflank mugging..

Da rite tool fer da rite job

I outfalnk deffkoptas, it is great for getting a hit on rear armour, nothing much you enemy can do aout it and if you position it right they can survive for a while aswell.

Juvieus Kaine wrote:*smashing face against desk*
Stop. Taking. Koptas. As. Suicide. Units. People.

Okay I am apparently the madboy around here who seems to think Koptas are well useless. I'd rather take warbikers or warbuggies for FA slots instead of 70pt suicide units that barely do anything.

I dont see a problem with that. If you are fighting anything other then SP type army, you can scout move/ turbo boost and carpet bomb armys to death. It does cost a lot but on the first turn of the game when you take out half of their infantry with over a hundred points or so. It changes everything. Also These guys can be used to locked down Walkers or other units for a round or too, By this time you will have all of your Orks on top of everything else.

PraetorDave wrote:I think coptas are more survivable than buggies. T4(5) and two wounds is going to be around much longer than armor 10 all around and open topped. Though buggies are a lot cheaper.

The reason you never used to see them is because you can buy one metal copta for $33 or you can buy 3 on ebay for like $15. Plus the plastic models are just so much better.

They aren't survivable. A single S8+ shot will kill them, so you better have that turbo boost save.

Same goes for a lot of things, including buggies (with a dash of poor luck)

The scout boost for 3+ is mandatory for e, and if you win initiative it still applies while you are firing poorly made fireworks everywhere...

Koptas are an easily-killed unit, but they're great when they work