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SO i just got back from three months of training and was looking forward to my first trip to my local hobby store. I knew the new GK models would be out on display and couldn't wait to check them out. After getting a good look at them I have to say, not quite what I expected. I feel like all the new kits are missing something, Idk what but I feel like they are definitely missing something.

So whats everyones opinion on the new GK models?

Also the dreadknight, I actually bought this model but I feel like the idea of it takes away from the whole GK fighting giant demons, kind of a slap to my old school gks

So what does everyone think about the dreadknight?

What was GW thinking when they decided gks should only be used as an army and not have the option of adding them as allies to other imperial armies? Universe and story wise I just dont like the idea that we won't see these guys backing up other imperial forces. I always pictured the gks as a small squad of warriors showing up in time to save the day.

What do you guys think about the statement above?

Last but not least, I'm super pissed that I can't run Inquisitors or Assassins in my army any more and I would totally like to see a plastic kit for assassins and inquisitors.

Anyway Feel free to comment at will

Thanks guys

why can't you run assassins or inquisitors again?

perezba7 wrote:So whats everyones opinion on the new GK models?

I like them, except for the oversized storm bolters on the PA guys.

Also the dreadknight, I actually bought this model but I feel like the idea of it takes away from the whole GK fighting giant demons, kind of a slap to my old school gks

So what does everyone think about the dreadknight?

This one I have mixed feelings on. I don't think it's worthy of all the internet hate, but at the same time, I know what you mean. GK have always been a "just a guy vs pure evil" thing, and now they're diminishing that somewhat. The way I reconciled it in my mind was to just say that it's actually a step toward believability. Batman didn't just beat up Superman with a set of brass knuckles made of kryptonite after all. He built a giant suit for the occasion.

What was GW thinking when they decided gks should only be used as an army and not have the option of adding them as allies to other imperial armies? Universe and story wise I just dont like the idea that we won't see these guys backing up other imperial forces. I always pictured the gks as a small squad of warriors showing up in time to save the day.

They were probably thinking that the old codex was mostly only good for the internet hate it got for allowing inquisitors with mystics in an IG list. Plus allies were apparently confusing; Go search through YMDC. There was a post on it weekly, if not daily. Besides, they're still the most expensive and "elite" SM force out there. My old GK seldom just showed up in time to save the day in game anyway.

Last but not least, I'm super pissed that I can't run Inquisitors or Assassins in my army any more and I would totally like to see a plastic kit for assassins and inquisitors.

Why not just get a WH codex? That'll keep you going for the time being. Alternatively, just ask your opponents if they mind if you use the old codex to get your allies back in still. Long as you weren't abusing the tarrot/hood/mystics, I really doubt anyone would care that much.

I agree with the basic idea - Grey Knights should be a select unit used as allies for other imperial forces when facing chaos. Same for inquisitors really. I think extending GK to be a full-on military force with their own armoured support is a bit silly and unnecessary. I can understand that players who like GK and inquisition want to field a 'pure' army, but I think both forces (as presented in the background) aren't really suitable for all-comers play. I mean, it will look a little odd to play against GK with my eldar, or my IG, or indeed any army that isn't chaos daemons or chaos space marines.

That said I find the idea of single units for scenario type games very cool - I'm sure once I've got a few hundred guard infantry I'll look at building an inquisitor and some henchmen to boss them about!


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Just to clarify - the way WH40k is most often played, is you bring an army and play against whoever wants a game - any army can play any other army, even if it is ultramarines vs ultramarines or similar blue-on-blue match up. I appreciate that this system makes allies rather unbalanced, and necessitates the expansion of 'pure' GK to cover things like anti-tank and anti-horde, not just daemon/monster killing. I just don't think that GK are a concept that fits well into this style of design. All other 40k armies are military forces, GK are more of a very small band of professional heroes.

Grundz wrote:why can't you run assassins or inquisitors again?

Hmmm... I suppose you wouldn't be able to use them if someone ripped those pages out of your codex.

On Topic:

The new Grey Knight models are fantastic. I'm not sure what you were expecting perezba7, but perhaps your expectations were set a little too high?

The Nemesis Dreadknight is a spectacular piece of kit IMO. While some hate the idea it represents, I think it's spot on. The idea of a single albeit super elite warrior taking down a greater daemon by his lonesome is kinda absurd. However, nearly all of the Grey Knights fluff is absurd so it really boils down to personal preference and how one views the Grey Knights.

Grey Knights have always been a small contingent that saved the day as you put it, but they've also fought battles and wars independently without allies and this is what GW is currently expanding upon along with the Inquisition.

Grundz wrote:why can't you run assassins or inquisitors again?

Yeah, huh?

I think he means as allies in his non-GK force.

Fearspect wrote:I think he means as allies in his non-GK force.

Ah. Then use codex: Witch Hunters?
Unless you had your heart set on having a psycannon (old version) in your guard army, you should be okay.

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:I just don't think that GK are a concept that fits well into this style of design. All other 40k armies are military forces, GK are more of a very small band of professional heroes.

A perfect example of how ones view of Grey Knights vs. Myself. IMO neither I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly or myself are wrong. I see the Grey Knights working in both small contingents as well as full battle forces.

For me the main problem with the GK models are the legs and hips.
I don't like them much on regular marines. But for some reason they look under scale on the GK's and the thighs too skinny. For my taste the models look top heavy and badly proportioned.
Which is a pity because I love the look of the helms. I would be reluctant to use an non helmed figure tbh.
Overall a curates egg.

The DK looks cool but I appreciate why it has come in for flak from some quarters. Am wondering if they have to re modify the GK to fit in the baby carrier. His shoulders need to be widened and then his shoulder pads would hinder ovement. But that is another thread!

I think the new models are fantastic.

the legs have more GK specific detail then the old metals had. they are also more dynamic in posability.


compatability with other Plastic kits is also great. none of these bits are going to waste.



the codex is great too. sure the fluff is a little meh, but the stats and wargear is fantastic.


and FYI OP: did you completely miss the inquisition? they are still in there. Malleus, Hereticus, AND Xenos


the GKs are actually most often deployed to areas in deep trouble. the Deamonic infestation is so bad that other imperial forces are either dead or would be corrupted. or the imperial forces need destroying too because of taint. the GKs don't act in tandum with the IG.

You may be alittle disappointed that a Pure Grey Knight is not going to do well against anything that has a descend long range weapons, this one of the flaws of a Pure Grey Knights. You can bulid a Razorback "spam" and what army hasn't. I have been test playing the GK and believe that a mix of Inquisition and Grey Knights are the way to go. One side of the army has the better long range weapons, while GK is better for mid range and in assualt.

I disagree.


GKs have Riflemen dreds. with psybolts they are basically firing 4 Krak missiles each turn(that have an 88.8% chance of hitting)

have 3 of these bad boys backing you up(or even 6!) and you have some serious ranged firepower.

I likemost of the models. I think they are very well done with the exception of the Dread Knight which I don't think fits well into the look and feel of 40k. I think it is sculpted well but I just don't care for the idea.

Other than that though I think that the release is a success from a model point of view.

You can still add inquisitors so this is still pretty cool.

I don't like the DK as a unit, but it fits with the fluff.


look up the Knights of the Ad Mech. they are basically what the Dreadknight is, a miniature titan.

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I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:I just don't think that GK are a concept that fits well into this style of design. All other 40k armies are military forces, GK are more of a very small band of professional heroes.

A perfect example of how ones view of Grey Knights vs. Myself. IMO neither I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly or myself are wrong. I see the Grey Knights working in both small contingents as well as full battle forces.

Yeah, exactly. I myself wouldn't collect them as a 'normal' 1000-2000 pt army for regular games. And I don't have any problem playing against them. Just for any kind of campaign or narrative scenario, they would have to be up against Chaos for the idea to interest me.

Sorry for the confusion people, I run an IG force and was bummed that there was no longer and option to use inquisitors or assassins in my army

Right. What about Witchhunters?

perezba7 wrote:Sorry for the confusion people, I run an IG force and was bummed that there was no longer and option to use inquisitors or assassins in my army

sucks to be you.


IG gunline plus Mystics was way OP anyway.

Chaos lost Daemons. Quit complaining about allies. That is all.

I prefer the game without allies, presonally.

I think a better system would be what Fantesy does now.

as long as both armies are legal, you can have armies from multiple books.


40k would be as long as both armies have the mandatory HQ and 2 troops you may include them together.

further clarification about which armies can be run together might need to be put in place, but it works in Fantesy.

Which army portion work in which
would be a better wording for it

Sang priest attached to a troop of Grey Hunters or Long fangs, people would take the OP part of abled to ally codex and proceed to mash them in somekind of a super force