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i have been out of the game for a little while. I am going for a haemonculus coven themed army. But I want to have a chance at winning some so I am looking for help. The reason for the 1500 point list is that the flg does its tournaments at this point level.

Urien Rakarth

Haemonculus
- liquifier gun, venom blade, Animus Vitae 80pts

Elite
4 Grotesque
-liquifer gun, Abberation, venom blade, 165pts
(Rakarth will be with the Grotesque)

Raider
-Flickerfeild 70pts

Troops
10 Wracks
-Liquifier gun,Acothyst, Agonizer 140pts

Raider
-Flickerfield 70pts

10 Wracks
-Liquifer gun, Acothyst, Agonzer 140pts

Raider
-flickerfield 70pts

9 Wyches
-Haywire Grenades, Hydra Gauntlet, Hekatrix, Agonizer 150pts
(Haemonculus will be with the wyches due to his pain token)

Raider
-flickerfield 70pts

Heavy
Talos
-Chainflail, Twin Linked Haywire Blaster 115pts

Talos
-Chainflails, Twin Linked Haywire Blaster 115pts

Ravanger
-Flickerfeild 115pts

Point total 1480

I have 20 points left. Should I spend it on putting an additional Liquifer gun in each wrack unit? Or should I spen it on increasing the Grotesques str from 5 to 6

Thanks in advanced for and any help.

I would swith the hydra gaunlet with the shardnet and implaler. It limits the attacks the enemy gets, plus a solid 3 attackes on the charge.
My one question is how do you plan to get the talos into the fray? The WWP is a effective way to get the talos near the enemy.
But I do like the list.

WvLopp wrote:Urien Rakarth

Haemonculus
- liquifier gun, venom blade, Animus Vitae 80pts

For the cost of Urien you could field 2 Haemonculi with Liquifier guns and scissor hands, and still have 40 points or so left over. The big question thus becomes - why are you fielding Urien and what benefits does he bring that are superior than fielding, say, a Haemy plus another unit of Wracks or Wyches - because that's almost how much he costs.

Elite
4 Grotesque
-liquifer gun, Abberation, venom blade, 165pts
(Rakarth will be with the Grotesque)

Raider
-Flickerfeild 70pts

This is pretty much my optimal idea behind a Grotesque build, I like it.

Troops
10 Wracks
-Liquifier gun,Acothyst, Agonizer 140pts

Raider
-Flickerfield 70pts

No complaints here particularly - though I do thing downgrading Urien to gain Haemons for assured Furious charge in these units could be solid.

9 Wyches
-Haywire Grenades, Hydra Gauntlet, Hekatrix, Agonizer 150pts
(Haemonculus will be with the wyches due to his pain token)

Raider
-flickerfield 70pts

I'll just note that from a fluff standpoint the Wyches are out of place here. I'll admit that's coming from an older DE player who remembers when Cults and Covens didn't exactly get along, but I'm just tossing it out there.

Heavy
Talos
-Chainflail, Twin Linked Haywire Blaster 115pts

Talos
-Chainflails, Twin Linked Haywire Blaster 115pts

Ravanger
-Flickerfeild 115pts

Individually no issues.

I have 20 points left. Should I spend it on putting an additional Liquifer gun in each wrack unit? Or should I spen it on increasing the Grotesques str from 5 to 6

Looking at your list as a whole what I see leap out at me is that the army has a lot of tools for hurting infantry, and not a lot for hurting armor. As such, I'd tend to suggest the Grotesque upgrade to make them a better threat versus armor in the assault. Also, I think you could probably benefit from increasing your anti-mech options across the board. The problem with the Talos as an anti-tank option is they're just so slow they don't bring the damage to vehicles quickly enough. I'd probably at least recommend dropping a Talos and taking a second Ravager for the same points.

First I would like to say thanks for looking things over.

Hydra Gauntlet: The reason I took the gauntlets is that my die rolls are usaully very bad. My hope was that with a chance of getting multipule attacks I would get some hits.

Talos: I was planning on just foot slogging them across the battle field. I might take Thors advice and swap one out for another ravager.

Rakarth: i was liking the bonus pain tokens he can give to wracks. But then again with 1500pts I guess it wouild be better to optimize my points. Will have to think abouit that.