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Monster Rain wrote:

skyth wrote:Not to mention that as much unethical behavior can be pointed at belief in a diety as ethical behvaior.

Another problem is, a lot of the time, people define 'ethical behavior' as whatever thier religion teaches them to do. Unethical behavior is defined the same way with no regard to what is actually ethical and unethical behavior.

Care to cite an example?

Several. The attack on the twin towers on 9/11, human sacrifice by the Aztecs, The Crusades, The Inquisition, Abortion Clinic Bombings, The drive against gay marriage, refusing to pay interest owed to Jewish bankers in the middle ages.

All are unethical acts, perpetuated by religions under the guise of ethical acts.

There have been ethical acts as well, don't get me wrong. The problem is when you try to derive the root of ethics from Religion.

AbaddonFidelis wrote:Frg
I think god will know that I can't help thinking wicked thoughts and occasionally acting on them. On that basis alone I deserve punishment. But if I accept the sacrifice he made for me through his son and try really hard to reform my life he might overlook it. Maybe.
AF

In this case then we also have reached an impasse.

I don't believe in any god. I received a 10/10 on the simple quiz... and wish they published the actual.

I think it would help clarify things if everyone provided their definition of "god".

We're not going to be able to agree on one definition but it would help everyone understand where everyone else is coming from.

I have no need for a belief in a higher power. Our existence does not require it

that is my stance

I think the Nicene creed pretty much sums it up for me.

Well I'm sorry that you have a guilt complex. If you can't take the judgements of others based on their limited perspectives, then I guess don't do wrong things. Or redefine what is wrong by your own standards, not the ones shucked on you by superstitious morons with a veil of political immunity from reproach hiding their dumb natures with a government that protects their freedom of dumbassery. I believe in excorcism, baptism, all that crap about as much as I believe in Ghostbusters.

Guitardian wrote:Well I'm sorry that you have a guilt complex. If you can't take the judgements of others based on their limited perspectives, then I guess don't do wrong things. Or redefine what is wrong by your own standards, not the ones shucked on you by superstitious morons with a veil of political immunity from reproach hiding their dumb natures with a government that protects their freedom of dumbassery. I believe in excorcism, baptism, all that crap about as much as I believe in Ghostbusters.

Even i see this as a trolling attempt...

and that says a lot

What are you talking about, Guitardian?

Monster Rain wrote:What are you talking about, Guitardian?

frgsinwntr wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:What are you talking about, Guitardian?

Alas, I can't help myself!

No, but you're right of course.

Well I really don't agree with the traditional concept of god. I don't believe in a thinking, self aware, supernatural being.
To me, God is simply another word for the universe. Matter is sacred and existence is divine. We are God because we are part of the universe, like cells that are the constituent parts of a greater organism. Same goes for the keyboard you're typing on, the ant you just stepped on, and your most recent bowel movement. All part of the greater organism, whether you call it god, the universe, what have you.

AbaddonFidelis wrote:

Gailbraithe wrote:

AbaddonFidelis wrote:What the hell are you even talking about? Honestly. Do you deny that France has survived as an independent state/cultural group from conquest by the franks right up to the present day? AF

Uh, yeah.

Ok then it's not your fault for being ridiculous. It's my fault for encouraging you. AF

Are you seriously arguing that France hasn't undergone any cultural changes in 1500 years? That the Albigensian Crusade never happened? The war against the Huguenots? German invasions? The Revolution? The birth of the Republic?

You're the one who is being ridiculous, AF.

Gailbraithe wrote:

AbaddonFidelis wrote:

Gailbraithe wrote:

AbaddonFidelis wrote:What the hell are you even talking about? Honestly. Do you deny that France has survived as an independent state/cultural group from conquest by the franks right up to the present day? AF

Uh, yeah.

Ok then it's not your fault for being ridiculous. It's my fault for encouraging you. AF

Are you seriously arguing that France hasn't undergone any cultural changes in 1500 years? That the Albigensian Crusade never happened? The war against the Huguenots? German invasions? The Revolution? The birth of the Republic?

You're the one who is being ridiculous, AF.

I 100% think that there is almost no way you can say there is no cultural change...

there has been a vast cultural change just since the invention of the internet...

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Gailbraithe wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Here's where I say I wasn't attacking you I was attacking your statement, and blah blah blah. I'm not going to argue that issue any more than I'd argue with the homeless guy drinking Lysol about whether or not the government was reading his brainwaves.

You are manifestly not attacking my statement. Comparing me to a paranoid homeless guy drinking Lysol is not attacking my argument, it's attacking me. You haven't offered any rebuttal of the argument except to say that I'm crazy.

In short: You are a disingenuous liar who is trying to derail this thread.

Sorry, your arguement was 18 month babies should not be treated as people under the law. How exactly are reasonable people supposed to respond to that? Furthermore, when you continued the discussion via PM you refused to address many of my points, yet you are the one who repeatedly throws out the word 'disingenous'.

I didn't address all of your points in PM because I was sick and tired. That's not even the close to being the same thing as Monster Rain claiming I said it's justified to kill babies. And more importantly, that has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH THIS CONVERSATION. Bringing it up is just a PATHETIC AND DISINGENUOUS ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT.

Here's a clue, you moth-breathing troglodytes: I DON'T ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT. I JUST SAID IT TO BE PROVOCATIVE AND TO CHALLENGE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM. I WAS HOPING THAT MAYBE YOU MORONS WOULD DEMONSTRATE AN ABILITY TO THINK. BT INSTEAD YO HAVE ONLY DEMONSTRATED AN ABILITY TO RUSH TO JUDGMENT, BE RIDICULOUS, BE DISINGENUOUS, AND GENERALLY COMPORTED YOURSELF AS THE KNUCKLE-DRAGGING SUB-LITERATE CLODS THAT YOU ARE.

GO FETH YOURSELVES.

This thread was looking like it just might have had a chance. . . sigh.

And...

I rest my case.

ah well...



it was a good thread

Monster Rain wrote:And...

I rest my case.

YOU HAVE NO CASE, YOU feth!NG PIECE OF SH!T. YOU'RE JUST A LYING DIRTBAG.

You're feth!ng slowed. A feth!ng idiot.

You couldn't argue your way out of a fething paper bag, so instead you just troll and flamebait and get away with it because sh!t-head mods like Frazzled take your side.

You are completely full of feth!ng SH!T. You are a lying, sleazy, underhanded craphound.

The world wold be a better place if you took a shotgun, shoved it in your mouth, and blew your rotten, useless turd brains across the ceiling, you craven, worthless dog excrement.

AND I'LL TAKE MY fething BANNING NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SINCE CLEARLY THE MODS IN THIS FORUM HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MONSTER RAIN AND HIS TROLLING, THREAD DERAILING NONSENSE. CLEARLY HIS BEHAVIOR IS ALL MY FAULT.

FU.CK THIS WHOLE GODDAMN FU.CKING FORUM.

Gailbraithe wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:And...

I rest my case.

YOU HAVE NO CASE, YOU feth!NG PIECE OF SH!T. YOU'RE JUST A LYING DIRTBAG.

You're feth!ng slowed. A feth!ng idiot.

You couldn't argue your way out of a fething paper bag, so instead you just troll and flamebait and get away with it because sh!t-head mods like Frazzled take your side.

You are completely full of feth!ng SH!T. You are a lying, sleazy, underhanded craphound.

The world wold be a better place if you took a shotgun, shoved it in your mouth, and blew your rotten, useless turd brains across the ceiling, you craven, worthless dog excrement.

AND I'LL TAKE MY fething BANNING NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SINCE CLEARLY THE MODS IN THIS FORUM HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MONSTER RAIN AND HIS TROLLING, THREAD DERAILING NONSENSE. CLEARLY HIS BEHAVIOR IS ALL MY FAULT.

FU.CK THIS WHOLE GODDAMN FU.CKING FORUM.

Woah, bro. Calm down. I agree, the OT forum is a gakhole and a lot of the posters here are jerks, but responding to trolling like that doesn't help your case.

Is that why I can't get out of this paper bag?

Seriously, I've been in this paper bag all day and I can't seem to argue my way out of it. It's a bitch, dude.

You knwo why I don't believe in Jesus?

Because pieces of crap like Monster Rain aren't improved one bit by their belief. And it seems to me that if Jesus were real, he would make his followers better people.

BUT INSTEAD THEY ARE JUST FU.CKING SH!TBAGS.


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SHOTGUN.

IN YOUR MOUTH.

MAKE THE WORLD BETTER, DIRTBAG.

seems more logical to base your beliefs on your own ideas... than the actions of others... just saying...

but seriously... i did think you had some good points... till you flew off the deep end

Woah....up until this page I was thinknig this thread was actually pretty jovial considering the subject matter...

The quote he went crazy on was quoting someone else, anyway.

I'm not sure what happened there.

frgsinwntr wrote:seems more logical to base your beliefs on your own ideas... than the actions of others... just saying...

but seriously... i did think you had some good points... till you flew off the deep end

That's what these pieces zof gak, these fething dishonest dirtbag scumb sucking donkey-cave liar wretches want. They n eedle and harass and needle and harass so they can piss people off, all because they are too fcking STUPID, too fething THICK HEAED, and so obviously fething WronG, THAT BTHEY CAN HAVE A REAL DEBATE. tHEY HAVE TO USE THESE UNDERHANDED TACTICS TO WIN,


BECAUSE THEY ARE PIECES OF CRAP.

gOD DAMN, PRAY YOU NEVER MEET ME IN REAL LIFE MONSTER RAIN, BECSAUSE I'LL FCKING SMAXH YOUR GOXDAMN FACE IN.

Gailbraithe wrote:You knwo why I don't believe in Jesus?

Because pieces of crap like Monster Rain aren't improved one bit by their belief. And it seems to me that if Jesus were real, he would make his followers better people.

BUT INSTEAD THEY ARE JUST FU.CKING SH!TBAGS.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
SHOTGUN.

IN YOUR MOUTH.

MAKE THE WORLD BETTER, DIRTBAG.

Dude, Gailbraithe. You had some valid points and we having a cool little debate here, but man. . . you gotta tone it down a bit and not respond to baiting. You seem a tad bit sensitive, and while this is a sensitive topic, your reaction is a bit over the top.

chill dude... just deal with them like this:


they are crazy... so is everyone on this topic in their own way

feth you ribiksnoob

feth YOU AND THIS WHOLE fething FORUM.

STOP CALLING ME OIT ON GETTING PISSED OFF AT THEIS bs AND DO THE RIGHT THIJNG:

CALL OUT KONSTER RAIN ON HIS bs. STOP BLAMING THE GODDAMN VICTIM. STOP V ALIDATING HIS BULLYING BY TAKIING EM TO TASK FOR BEING UPSET BY IT.

OR PUT A SHOTGUN IHN YOUR OWN MOTH, YOU CRAVEN fething DOG,.

Yeah, if they piss you off just toss 'em a lolcat and then leave the thread. No need to escalate.