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 Kosake wrote:
On one hand, orks skipping two full editions is something I won't forgive GW in a hurry. On the other hand, if we get the new dex, might as well be for the next edition. The only thing more insulting than skipping two editions would be to get a new dex, that instantly becomes obsolete when 7th changes something radical.

You know that codices written shortly before an edition change are typically written with that coming edition in mind, right? They don't do one thing at a time.

 Squidbot wrote:
Can't say, and you have no reason to trust me, I know

Can you at least confirm that you aren't bullshating all of us? Like where is this generally from? Word of mouth, online, etc.

 Squidbot wrote:
Can't say, and you have no reason to trust me, I know

I'll add you to the tracker tomorrow.


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 Commander_Farsight wrote:

 Squidbot wrote:
Can't say, and you have no reason to trust me, I know

Can you at least confirm that you aren't bullshating all of us? Like where is this generally from? Word of mouth, online, etc.

Doesn't matter either way. For our purposes, he's the source.

 pretre wrote:

 Squidbot wrote:
Can't say, and you have no reason to trust me, I know

I'll add you to the tracker tomorrow.


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 Commander_Farsight wrote:

 Squidbot wrote:
Can't say, and you have no reason to trust me, I know

Can you at least confirm that you aren't bullshating all of us? Like where is this generally from? Word of mouth, online, etc.

Doesn't matter either way. For our purposes, he's the source.

Hahaha please do! Ok, thats true. Looks like that isn't a very reliable source then though to my dismay

 Squidbot wrote:
Can't say, and you have no reason to trust me, I know

That's all the confirmation i need to take this as gospel.

 Squidbot wrote:
There's an intermediate sized Stompa coming. Along the same scale as the IK.

That would be like the old school stompa, while the current plastic merged the stompa name with the supastompa/mekboy stompa and made it a scout titan equivalent.

I am not disbelieving the rumor, but it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. Orks already have a plastic superheavy (that costs less than the Imperial knight, so why pay the same or more for a smaller kit?) Orks also have quite a few ork walker models- killa kan squadrons and deff dreds at the low end, stompa at the high end, and the mega dred/meka dred from FW for the medium weight. Why add another walker when there are a bunch of them, and the squiggoth would be a viable substitute for a large centerpiece model that has long existed in the fluff?

Orks are honestly in a similar boat to where SM were before their sixth ed dex, kitwise. Orks have a big tank (battlewagon) a flier with options, and a large part of their range in plastic. Marines got a new heavy infantry unit, an AA tank, and 3 kits converted from finecast to plastic/updated. Orks also could use a similar treatment- meganobz would make a good heavy infantry kit (probably priced somewhere between nid warriors and centurions for a 3 pack), a vehicle kit (buggy/trakk needs updated), and old units updated with plastic models- tank bustas, kommandoes, flash gits, deff koptas. And there are some options for clampacks- wyrdboyz, mad dok, maybe a big mek.

We'll see when the doors open.

All this talk is getting me excited - despite May having many family birthdays (including my own), I want it to fly by now for these updates to come.

 Squidbot wrote:
We'll see when the doors open.

What a way to rile people up!

Orks being July has been the rumor on Natfka for a couple of months now..
My hope (perhaps beyond hope), that they take the negatives out of Ork randomness. If they do that... update some of the metal models.

Id also throw in a wager that if this 7th edition box contains meganobs, there will be no multipart plastic meganobs this round.

HairySticks wrote:
Id also throw in a wager that if this 7th edition box contains meganobs, there will be no multipart plastic meganobs this round.

That would be consistent with previous GW logic (koptas etc) - so a 'proper' meganobz kit would at least be delayed by a year or so (as with the Helbrute). Which is odd in some ways, given the intro box set is usually far better value for money (and thus less profitable for GW?) than standard kits.

Not personally worried though - even simplified meganobs should be very easy to super-detail.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
On one hand, orks skipping two full editions is something I won't forgive GW in a hurry. On the other hand, if we get the new dex, might as well be for the next edition. The only thing more insulting than skipping two editions would be to get a new dex, that instantly becomes obsolete when 7th changes something radical.

You know that codices written shortly before an edition change are typically written with that coming edition in mind, right? They don't do one thing at a time.

Yeah, that totally went well for Dark Eldar.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
On one hand, orks skipping two full editions is something I won't forgive GW in a hurry. On the other hand, if we get the new dex, might as well be for the next edition. The only thing more insulting than skipping two editions would be to get a new dex, that instantly becomes obsolete when 7th changes something radical.

You know that codices written shortly before an edition change are typically written with that coming edition in mind, right? They don't do one thing at a time.

I know. I allso know, that last-minute changes are a thing. It may be all fine and dandy, it may also ruin everything. We'll see.

I don't really buy that "intermediate stompa" thing. We have killa canz, Dreads, Mega/Meka-Dreads, Stompas and potentially gargants. So every size is allready covered. By addind something smaller than a stompa, they basically try to compete with FW Megadreads, which are way too beautiful for GW to actually compete against.

Don't forget, the Ork book came out at the tail end of 4th edition and is Still viable. The book before that was well over 10 years old, so in my old Cybork eyes this is a pretty speedy update

Well, one could argue about viable, but even then, it isn't the book's fault. We really couldn't wish for more than simply having the new codex just as well written as the last one was.

 Jidmah wrote:
Well, one could argue about viable, but even then, it isn't the book's fault. We really couldn't wish for more than simply having the new codex just as well written as the last one was.

It seems to have aged well

 Anpu-adom wrote:
My hope (perhaps beyond hope), that they take the negatives out of Ork randomness.

Heh.

Daemons got a table to see if they randomly take damage, Tyranids got a random table that makes them eat each other. I wouldn't expect anything less than a table to determine how many Orks remember to show up in the right place for a battle.

 xttz wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:
My hope (perhaps beyond hope), that they take the negatives out of Ork randomness.

Heh.

Daemons got a table to see if they randomly take damage, Tyranids got a random table that makes them eat each other. I wouldn't expect anything less than a table to determine how many Orks remember to show up in the right place for a battle.

I hate all this random crap.

Ork 'Megabosses' - this would work fine fluff-wise, no question about it. The biggest difficulty it faces is in practical terms tho. If all Nobz models were on 40mm bases like MANz or the existing HQ guys it would be fine, but with those on standard bases having an MC boss could look too much of a difference for normal armies. So doubt this will happen unless FW gets in on it - seems more likely to me for them to knock one out than GW. That said, if it was to happen, it could perhaps work as an alt for a new Ghazzy much like how this new Wood Elf Treeman character has been done.

As for the 'intermediate stompa' - this would make sense again fluff wise, as in that the current Stompa is really more like a Supa Stompa in terms of size so they could change the box to that and bingo, you've got space for a new kit (albeit in the same territory as the FW Mega Dread). Taking the rumour that it will happen with a hefty pinch of salt though.

They could just bump deff dread armor to AV13 for the same effect. It's not like it's lacking killing power, it just falls apart while stomping towards the enemy in slow motion.

 RobZie wrote:

 Squidbot wrote:
Can't say, and you have no reason to trust me, I know

That's all the confirmation i need to take this as gospel.

Actually, that's one of the best ways to sound like a true source. that's what I answer when I share a rumour, noone has shared before.

Powerguy wrote:

 BunkerBob wrote:
I believe he means they come with choppas and a slugga but can be upgraded to shootas.

The way its written it sounds like they come with standard close combat weapons and sluggas, then you can pay points to give them choppas (upgrade to CCW) or Shootas.

What will most likely happen with this is when you take the boyz you will have to select one of the two choices much like the deff dread "Must" take the two extra weapons. You dont have a choicr of not taking them. You have to choose one option.


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This is my take on it all. The orks will always have their elements of random. It is what makes them one of the more fun races to play as and play against. I feel the whole waagh points are leaning a bit too close to warmachine & hoards for my liking, but each unit getting its own waaagh move expands the danger of the ork army in general. I do believe the stormboyz being able to assault flyers BECAUSE the game itself focuses on flyers more now than ever before. Orks cannot aim at all so giving them something to combat air makes sense. I can also believe that the +6 fnp will happen to. Orks are meant to take pain, and a fnp save is not able to save from x2 S of a units toughness. So you will still lose a lot of troops regardless. But that is a bonus for orks. Where most other armys cannot take a lose of 7 people in one turn. That is a low number for orks. I cant say I can agree with the new grotz unit or not. I personally never even use grechens myself. Personally I hope that the new big unit orks get is a Mega Dread. Those things seem to fit perfectly into what gw is doing with the larger models being added to the armies.

This is all just my personal take on the rumors I have heard and read through. Im an ork fanatic personally. I have models from the 1st edition of 40k. Back when they were called space orks. Most people see them as the gemic race of 40k and undervalue what damages they can cause simply because of the hilarity built into them. But when you imbrace that and use it. It makes orks completely unpredictable in almost all aspects. And therefore more dangerous than many races. Simply because no player has control over them.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
On one hand, orks skipping two full editions is something I won't forgive GW in a hurry. On the other hand, if we get the new dex, might as well be for the next edition. The only thing more insulting than skipping two editions would be to get a new dex, that instantly becomes obsolete when 7th changes something radical.

You know that codices written shortly before an edition change are typically written with that coming edition in mind, right? They don't do one thing at a time.

Yeah, that totally went well for Dark Eldar.

The Dark Eldar codex is actually really great, and had numerous strategies available to it. I don't see your point.

 ntdars wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
On one hand, orks skipping two full editions is something I won't forgive GW in a hurry. On the other hand, if we get the new dex, might as well be for the next edition. The only thing more insulting than skipping two editions would be to get a new dex, that instantly becomes obsolete when 7th changes something radical.

You know that codices written shortly before an edition change are typically written with that coming edition in mind, right? They don't do one thing at a time.

Yeah, that totally went well for Dark Eldar.

The Dark Eldar codex is actually really great, and had numerous strategies available to it. I don't see your point.

The Dark Eldar codex was great. Now about half of that codex is almost useless.

Somewhat off-topic question, but this seems like a good thread to ask it in:

Are there any decent Ork-dedicated forums on the internet?

I enjoy the big sites like Dakka and Warseer, but I also like poking around on the smaller, dedicated boards, and have had good experiences at Asrai.org, The Underempire, Vampire-counts.net, and The Tyranid Hive at the various points in time when I played those armies.

I just started Orks, so I'm curious about the equivalent (ie. an active, populated Ork board).

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 ntdars wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
On one hand, orks skipping two full editions is something I won't forgive GW in a hurry. On the other hand, if we get the new dex, might as well be for the next edition. The only thing more insulting than skipping two editions would be to get a new dex, that instantly becomes obsolete when 7th changes something radical.

You know that codices written shortly before an edition change are typically written with that coming edition in mind, right? They don't do one thing at a time.

Yeah, that totally went well for Dark Eldar.

The Dark Eldar codex is actually really great, and had numerous strategies available to it. I don't see your point.

The Dark Eldar codex was great. Now about half of that codex is almost useless.

More than half. With the state of 40k being what it is now you can count the number of useful Dark Eldar units on one hand: Baron, warriors with venoms (not because they're particularly good but because they're cheap and you need troops), and the beast units. All allied to Eldar primary, obviously. Honestly if it weren't for the Baron you wouldn't really want to use the DE codex at all, you could probably build a stronger army with just Eldar.

Strong yes, but not as pretty

I may get beaten down playing my DE, but by the gods I'll look good doing it...

Suicidal Haywyches in venoms also work reasonably well, but it irks me to use them as tank hunters when they should be shivving infantry...

 Altruizine wrote:
Somewhat off-topic question, but this seems like a good thread to ask it in:

Are there any decent Ork-dedicated forums on the internet?

I enjoy the big sites like Dakka and Warseer, but I also like poking around on the smaller, dedicated boards, and have had good experiences at Asrai.org, The Underempire, Vampire-counts.net, and The Tyranid Hive at the various points in time when I played those armies.

I just started Orks, so I'm curious about the equivalent (ie. an active, populated Ork board).

http://the-waaagh.com/
I never use it myself, and I've been rabid Ork fan since they were Space Orks.

As for the intermediate stompa, I sort of regret even mentioning it. But it's said and I stand by it.

 Altruizine wrote:
Somewhat off-topic question, but this seems like a good thread to ask it in:

Are there any decent Ork-dedicated forums on the internet?

I enjoy the big sites like Dakka and Warseer, but I also like poking around on the smaller, dedicated boards, and have had good experiences at Asrai.org, The Underempire, Vampire-counts.net, and The Tyranid Hive at the various points in time when I played those armies.

I just started Orks, so I'm curious about the equivalent (ie. an active, populated Ork board).

There used to be The-Waaagh but now it's down. Keep an eye on it though, it might come back!

It's been down for quite some time, I've been thinking of starting something during it's absence that's Ork Community related. Perhaps a Pinterest account or something similar, so people in the community can share.