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The treeman's pose looks terrible. Just like the entire model. It looks like a general leading an army and not like an actual treant, a slow but strong force of nature itself. Its pose is way too dynamic and theremore makes it look less powerful and "primeval" than the older ones.

I thought about starting a WE army, but right now, I am severely disappointed with the new models so far, but fortunately, they are relatively easy to proxy due to a lot of alternative models. Still kinda sad about how GW does not seem to care anymore about its model's quality.

I think we have to draw a line between the concept of "quality" and "style".

A model might not have the style we perhaps like but can still be a quality model. Asides its hard to tell quality on models when you can't see them in the flesh and only hae blurry photos of photos to judged them by.

Kolbalt266 wrote:
15 pages from wood elf book, in Italian

Found on http://eltallerdeyila.blogspot.com.es/2014/04/imagenes-del-libro-de-ejercito-de-elfos.html

Spoiler:

This army book pages are a fake or a fanmade book. In Spanish forums we were trying this case yesterday:

http://www.marcusbeli.es/ElBaluarte/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=24706&start=675

And:

http://warhammeraqui.mforos.com/389007/11280967-rumores-de-elfos-silvanos-solo-rumores/

Yes, the artwork doesn't look like something from GW.

The bit where it says that mages can generate from the lore of athel loren or the 8 rulebook lores kinda gave it away.

 Overread wrote:
I think we have to draw a line between the concept of "quality" and "style".

A model might not have the style we perhaps like but can still be a quality model. Asides its hard to tell quality on models when you can't see them in the flesh and only hae blurry photos of photos to judged them by.

Don't be ridiculous. Clearly, if something does not perfectly match one's expectations, it objectively sucks on all conceivable levels.

 Overread wrote:
I think we have to draw a line between the concept of "quality" and "style".

A model might not have the style we perhaps like but can still be a quality model. Asides its hard to tell quality on models when you can't see them in the flesh and only hae blurry photos of photos to judged them by.

I was coming from a WE perspective. The new treants clearly break with the old concept, or style, and the generic definition of treants. The new pose is "generic general pose" and shows a sincere lack of "feel" for a unit. It makes it look generic and not unique or characteristic.

The "generic General Pose" model is the Treeman Ancient- A Lord choice. Therefore I'm assuming it was posed with that look in mind.
From the other pics I've seen, the new model looks to have a fair amount of posability, at least in the arms and head. Even if this flexibility doesn't extent to the legs, it's a plastic model and this easy to convert. You should be able to get your primal, unstoppable force of nature pose from the model with only a little effort

Leggy wrote:
The "generic General Pose" model is the Treeman Ancient- A Lord choice. Therefore I'm assuming it was posed with that look in mind.
From the other pics I've seen, the new model looks to have a fair amount of posability, at least in the arms and head. Even if this flexibility doesn't extent to the legs, it's a plastic model and this easy to convert. You should be able to get your primal, unstoppable force of nature pose from the model with only a little effort

Precisely!

Furthermore, you could just use one of the superior non-GW treant models which there are pleny of.

I think that these new sculpts make the Treemen look far more fluid and this keeps in line with the Dryads. The old Treeman had an ugly, ungainly model that wanted to stand on 3 legs and had his Frikkin' tongue hanging out, these majestic powerful sculpts are far and above what we could of hoped for.

Exactly, I think WE have always wanted that swift, slender, fluid look to all their models, as if you'd ride through their forest and you'd be hit by a blade or snatched by a tree before you could scream "what the?".

Chances are with some "fluff" you can leaf up the treeman and from the look of it the kit will have a lot of optional parts so you'd be able to custom him a great deal! Plus he's a tree, so I suspect he'd be easy to convert to have extra arms or limbs or branches.

I get what people are saying; the look has changed and there is a great diversity in what a "tree man" should look like. Nothing wrong in that, it just means different artists ahve taken different directions.

That Treeman looks as if a tree was posessed by a Demon. It looks fast, powerful, evil and bloodthirsty.

It's beautiful and glorious in so many different levels <3

Are the stags monster cav? Can't tell from that fuzzy pic.

I'd say that some of these are going to be on the "hit" side of GW recent "hit and miss" pattern. Dang they can make super cool models from time to time.

The tree swordsman makes me want to bellow and prentend crush things in my house in slow mo monster fashion.

Damn, I am digging that Treeman! I'm looking forward to seeing the other models as well, but I'm especially digging Durthu. A sword and claw wielding bad-ass tree? Yes, please.

 Overread wrote:
Must admit I'm surprised - that said WE haven't had any attention in so long chances are htey wanted new things on the table more than they wanted to revise old models; plus with a near whole line to revise that's a fair bit of work.

AFAIK most Wood Elf players actually still like the current range of models with few exceptions (treeman, treekin, giant stag with wrong antlers), so a complete redo is not necessary. A nice plastic treeman is welcome though plus potential replacements for metal models.

But what Wood Elf players really need is rules that work in 8th edition, as the current ones are nigh unplayable. We will see if GW provides that.

Also, as said, I am in the camp of people liking the new treeman / thorn elemental, and I will buy one or two of them, to cover all variants (except Durthu ).

Kroothawk - agreed I never said old models were outright bad, its more a surprise that after GW announced that they were phasing out finecast that they'd still do an army re-release containing a fair amount of finecast models.

About the current range... literally almost everything in the range is mail order only from GW, right? What does that mean, exactly? Does that mean that I can't buy them from my FLGS?

 Tangent wrote:
About the current range... literally almost everything in the range is mail order only from GW, right? What does that mean, exactly? Does that mean that I can't buy them from my FLGS?

I'd wait to pass that judgment when they officially announce the Wood Elves. At the moment from an official position we're still in "what does that totally mysterious trailer mean?" mode. I'd imagine when the new army book hits the shelves you'll be able to get things in store.

I feel bad that I'm not blown away and excited about what we've seen so far, and I wonder if my expectations were too high.

Treeman: I don't hate it, but I'm not excited by it. It looks very (overly?) complicated and I'm already thinking that it will be a nightmare to paint. I'm also assuming that it's build along Wraithknight lines in that it has a standard pose, but has conversion potential. I don't know, I need to see a better picture of it. I do like how it's more Dryad-like though.

Hero: it's the WElf version of the latest Eldar Farseer - pointing into the distance, flaring cloak with spear. It's pretty static...

Stag riders: I know it's a terrible picture, but they look very cute... eyes very large. Not sold on them yet at all. (and why paint them green? I don't understand. No, I do, it's the whole forest = green thing, but I don't need to be clubbed over the head with that concept.)

What I WANTED was a super-cool new set of Wardancers in plastic with really dynamic poses... maybe still on their way?

 reds8n wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Well, these new pics of the treeman painted in much saner colors are a huge improvement,
.

Indeed.


One could almost say that it's growing on you.

yeah, it seems the paint scheme was the root of the problem

What can i say, it’s about time. Models look cool. I believe that the pictures of all the new gw kits never do the models justice. Wait until you see the sprues.

To be fair all we have at the moment is snapshots of photos

 streetsamurai wrote:

 reds8n wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Well, these new pics of the treeman painted in much saner colors are a huge improvement.

Indeed.
One could almost say that it's growing on you.

yeah, it seems the paint scheme was the root of the problem

I also blame the painting branch
But maybe we should leaf it at that

I really like the new Treeman - could work as is or as an Exodite Wraith Kinght / Avatar maybe

The tree man looks ok, I think people are judging it too harsly. At least its not fine cast nor a heafty metal model.

The problem with the Treeman is it does not look like an Initiative 2 model. GW have always gone for the big, slow, lumbering Treeman in their fluff. Dryads, by contrast, are fast and quick attacking (Ini6 and 2 Attacks from a slightly larger than man-sized creature).

The way this Treeman is posed it looks like a Wraithknight made of wood. Which in itself isn't bad, if it weren't for the fact it looks again like a fast agile creature, not a slow lumbering behemoth.

That's my main problem with the new Treeman. Also not a huge fan of the face.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 reds8n wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Well, these new pics of the treeman painted in much saner colors are a huge improvement.

Indeed.
One could almost say that it's growing on you.

yeah, it seems the paint scheme was the root of the problem

I also blame the painting branch
But maybe we should leaf it at that

Don't blame them, they're just some poor Saps, following orders.

I actually think the treeman will be a very hard model to paint well. It looks like there's too many things going on with the model, too chaotic (in the artistic sense rather than the faction). Though I'd like to see the model before I make any judgements on that point as all the pictures are pretty average.