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 Brotherjulian wrote:
I don't believe every chapter should have access to every unit, or else your chapter selection is just a paint job. Yes Blood Angels have Sanguinary Guard and Death company, but we don't get Centurions or Thunderfire cannons and I'm fine with that. Those units don't fit the rapid assault theme of a Blood Angels army but would be perfectly suited for the Imperial Fists.

Every other chapter is just a paint scheme. Every sept is a paint scheme. Every hive fleet, GSC, Ork Clan, Dynasty, craftworld, etc etc...

They are all just paint schemes. These 3 are the only outliers. The argument you have is a bad one and doesn't hold up under the slightest scrutiny.

You and I don't agree. I don't WANT my BA to have every option the same as somebody's Smurfs. If I did, I'd play those. The character of the army is different from regular tactical marines and I don't want the lines blurred

the existance of chapter tactics across various codices, the fact that there's clearly a market for chapter supplements etc, suggests to me that over all the market wants more flavor for subfactions not less.

 Brotherjulian wrote:
I don't believe every chapter should have access to every unit, or else your chapter selection is just a paint job.

No, it's also lore, theme (you can do the unit selection to fit the theme YOURSELF!!!! You don't need GW to hold you hand!!!) and rules ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

 Brotherjulian wrote:
You and I don't agree. I don't WANT my BA to have every option the same as somebody's Smurfs. If I did, I'd play those. The character of the army is different from regular tactical marines and I don't want the lines blurred

BA are ostensibly a codex adherent chapter, at least most of their fluff has held to that. Yeah they have a couple unique bits, but if the World Eaters, Emperor's Children, Iron Warriors, Night Lords, and Word Bearers (all substantially and dramatically more divergent forces from each other than the BA are from the UM's) can share a codex through every edition, one would think it should be possible for BA's without much fuss.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Brotherjulian wrote:
You and I don't agree. I don't WANT my BA to have every option the same as somebody's Smurfs. If I did, I'd play those. The character of the army is different from regular tactical marines and I don't want the lines blurred

BA are ostensibly a codex adherent chapter, at least most of their fluff has held to that. Yeah they have a couple unique bits, but if the World Eaters, Emperor's Children, Iron Warriors, Night Lords, and Word Bearers (all substantially and dramatically more divergent forces from each other than the BA are from the UM's) can share a codex through every edition, one would think it should be possible for BA's without much fuss.

So are the Dark Angels - to quote from the latest White Dwarf: p.31

The Dark Angels are, for the most part, strict adherents to the Codex in terms of their Chapter' structure.

They deviate somewhat with the 1st and 2nd Companies - but so do many Chapters who had not attention cosntantly lavished upon them (to in my opinon their deterement).

Bingo. Deathwing aren't even that unique in the grand scheme of things.

I don't even like the separate Terminator armors having separate entries. The different Power Armors don't have different rules and those have distinct fluff on how one works compared to the other.

 Brotherjulian wrote:

Also considering the dreadnoughts, the Furiosos are our Venerable dreads. We don't get ordinary venerables or ironclads.
Definitely other dreads should have the dual ccw option though, that's just wierd.

If other Dreadnoughts can have dual close combat weapons, what's the point of keeping the Furioso as a separate unit?
Why shouldn't Blood Angels have Venerable Dreadnoughts? They used to have that option.
Why wouldn't Blood Angels use Ironclads? Don't they fight sieges? Why wouldn't a close assault oriented Chapter use the close assault oriented Dreadnought (Oh, might it be because the Ironclad overlaps the Furioso's niche and creates a redundant option..?)

Why wouldn't Thunderfire Cannons fit the Blood Angels' theme, if they get Whirlwinds, Devastators, Rapiers, Hellblasters, etc.? They can strap a Thunderfire Cannon to a Land Raider hull, but don't have any as standard? Don't assault Centurions fit the close assault theme? The Blood Angels have as many Devastator squads as the Ultramarines do, so why wouldn't they use devastator centurions too?