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1) If skimmers move flat out and then during the opponents turn are immobilized they are destroyed right?

2) Why do people say Dreadnoughts can shoot over Rhinos? Their guns are lower than their head is and in the Walkers section of the rulebook it says you measure from the barrel of their gun. The "common" argument for when people say Dakka Dreads vs Dakka Predators is that Dreads have better vision over vehicles in front of the like Rhinos. But in the rulebook it says otherwise...what is the answer to this?

1 - Correct

2 - Not really an exact rules question. You are correct that a dread needs to draw LoS along the barrel of its weapon to its target, maybe they model their dreads on floating grav platforms?

I don't think they are. Its just most people argue that Dreads have better LOS because they can shoot over Rhinos and stuff. Maybe they are all wrong and have been thinking of shooting from the head of the unit like infantry instead of the guns...

Dreadnoughts can probably shoot over a rhino at something hovering, flying, or at elevation, but you are correct that standard dreadnoughts are not generally tall enough. It's mostly a question of modeling however, not rules.

BRB p16 - last paragraph before "OWN UNIT"

LOS must be traced from the eyes of the firing model to any part of the body of at least one of the models in the target unit (for 'body' we mean its head, torso, legs, and arms).

So, if a dread can see over the Rhino and see a part of the enemy, he can fire over the Rhino at the unit. I guess that would depend how far the Dread is from the Rhino. If it was on a hill or something.

Biotox wrote:BRB p16 - last paragraph before "OWN UNIT"

LOS must be traced from the eyes of the firing model to any part of the body of at least one of the models in the target unit (for 'body' we mean its head, torso, legs, and arms).

Vehicles have another set of rules regarding this on page 58--not that it changes the actual results. . . .

Now that you mention it, it would make a difference. The arm of a dreadnought may be below the Rhino if it is like an AC. But, I would think a Dreadnought could pick it's arm up to use a weapon mounted to a power fist.

Biotox wrote:Now that you mention it, it would make a difference. The arm of a dreadnought may be below the Rhino if it is like an AC. But, I would think a Dreadnought could pick it's arm up to use a weapon mounted to a power fist.

Unfortunately, there are many times that common sense doesn't apply in 40k.

In terms of the rules, you cannot change a models position during the course of a game. So, the dread cannot lift its arm to fire over a rhino.

And, if you intentionally model your dread with its arms up over its head, that's modeling for advantage, which is also forbidden.

YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT THE DESTROYED THING. it is only during the controlling players turn that a flat out move will allow a unit to be destroyed by immobilizing.

Regarding the skimmer question:

p.71 SHOOTING AT SKIMMERS -

"... a skimmer that is immobilised immediately crashes and is destroyed (wrecked) if it moved flat out in its last turn."

Katfish! wrote:YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT THE DESTROYED THING. it is only during the controlling players turn that a flat out move will allow a unit to be destroyed by immobilizing.

Please read the thread. And the rulebook.

We're not talking about the passengers (who are only instant-killed due to inability to disembark if the skimmer is killed in the SAME PLAYER TURN as the skimmer moving fast.).

We're talking about the skimmer itself. Which will die if it's Immobilized in the opponent's player turn AS WELL.

On any model where the weapon is in a "fixed" position, you must measure range and LOS from the weapon itself. At least you should, anyway.

With skimmers, I thought it was they are wrecked if they are immobilized at anytime?

Only if they moved Flat Out in the preceding (or same) movement phase.