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infinite_array wrote:

The thing is, we've heard these threads before. And before then. And before THEN. The very thing man did when he finally evolved enough to articulate sounds into meaningful language was complain about GW's prices.



I actually lol'd at that

The people who cared about the hobby initially, how made GW what it is, have been forced out of the door by the bean counters. I still believe there are a core of people, the designers and a few stragglers of old-guard (Jervis Johnson etc.) who genuinely love what they do and want the best for the hobby, but their actions are controlled by sinister overlords, who sit in darkened rooms smoking and with their hands templed and simply nod in approval when a goblin underling shows them a plan for the next cunning money-making scheme.

Root of all the evil: going public with the company on the crest of the LoTR boom, foolishly believing that such a revenue influx would be sustainable over the long-term. This is why practically every release, every change in the rules and new product release in the past 4 or 5 years, has just been an attempt to make maximum profit for minimum expenditure. While I don't have a problem with that, the games themselves have suffered; 'apocalypse' of both 40k and WFB becoming the standard 'way to play' meaning that now massive expenditure is needed before you can field even a modest army.
- The sidelining of SG (really the proof of who is in control of the company, that much fun for $50 is not a wise idea)
- the cut backs of budget in both the production of WD (no 'journalism' any more because they can't afford to pay anyone to write anything that isn't an advert), and the lack of new artwork being produced (again - too expensive),
- cutting down the stores to one-man units, perhaps defeating the entire object of them existing (to attract more youngsters into the game), as it's difficult to run a demo game when you are trying to answer the phone, serve at the till and eat your lunch at the same time. Although perhaps that isn't an issue if the company is indeed switching to resin, as no responsible parent is going to let their younger child come within a mile of it.

I'm only half serious with these comments, but I genuinely believe we would be in a better position now if the company hadn't got greedy all those years ago and made the company public, and would now be in a position where it had the interests of the hobbyist, rather than the shareholder, at heart. And of course the company is still producing some beautiful stuff, and makes a lot of people happy (myself included often, despite this rantish post!) But, it's hard not to think of 'what could have been'.

Part of me hopes that the share price will drop enough that some philanthropist(?!) will make a majority buy out of the company, and then put a load of hobby-orientated guys back in charge of it as it once was. Any millionaires reading this who have this desire and have some spare change hanging around in your pocket, the onus is on you

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On an Express Elevator to Hell!!

agnosto wrote:
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:I ain't so you are wrong

The big kits are still overpriced imho.
(compared to equivalent amount of plastics in all but a few of the scale models)

Oh look someone is going to say it's a niche luxury car in this sort of thread again in 5, 4, 3, 2,...


Yeah, I can get 6 Ogre Bulls for less than 5 Terminators.

And don't make me trot out the razorgore pic....heck, I'll be lazy because I'm sure someone else'll do it.


Wait?!?! What's that?! Did someone mention the sports car of wargaming again??!?!



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On an Express Elevator to Hell!!

A very interesting post on the blog 'The back 40k', that pertains directly to some of the discussion going on here. I think that everyone should read it:

http://theback40k.blogspot.com/2011/04/help-kirby-is-eating-our-hobby.html

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Sinful Hero wrote: I went on a tour with a friend of mine in the Memphis,TN factory. They said that the machine to press the molds cost over $100,000 to have made. Didn't mention the price of the individual molds themselves. I'm pretty sure they make a lot of the space marine sprues there; I think it was Tactical Squad sprues and such? Maybe they said something about Cadians and Rhinos as well. They had 9-12 of those machines, and they also spin-cast some metal models there as well. Don't know about the price of making the "spin-casters". But you're looking at over a million in the presses alone, plus molds, labor, materials, and floor space. After that you have the box, plastic wrap, and shipping.
I don't find their prices all that outrageous for what I get- Awesome models that I not only can display, but have rules to play a game with as well. I don't really understand all the hate towards GW, but maybe I haven't been around long enough to know why I should(not trying to sound confrontational here, sorry if it comes off like that). Anyway, I'll at least keep supporting the hobby even if I have to play alone in my mom's basement.


Well, that's something that hopefully won't ever have to happen to you!

The point is, as was made in the blog post I linked above, that the few people at the heart of the company, and running it, have sweet f-all interest in actually the hobby itself. So for all of the cost cutting measures, the cutting of staff and massive price hike of units, then tailoring of rules to sell more of those kits, the things which are most complained about by the gaming community, what is done with that additional profit? It's used for a dividend payment, so the shareholders, and more importantly Mr. Kirby, can get a nice big lump of money in their pocket.

And in the meantime the hundreds of thousands of people, if not more, who enjoy the hobby around the world get a worse experience. Of course I will continue to love the hobby, and GW has been an important and enjoyable part of my life, but that doesn't mean I have to just shrug my shoulders at each ill-advised new policy that comes out. It's painful to see something you feel an emotional attachment towards (and how can it be any other way when you have invested so much time in it?) when it's having its face driven into the dirt.


 
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