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Manchester, NH

Suggestion for John: Before you abdicate your Constitutional duty, shame your constituants, and dishonor your party by voting based on bs you read in a forwarded email from a nutjob relative, you might want to check the numbers you spew out on the floor of the Senate.



On a related note, not only is John Kyl an idiot, but the nice folks at Fox & Friends think you can get a pap smear or breast exam at Walgreen's:

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You are my favorite moderator, Mannahnin. Even if both the Daily Show and Colbert Report are comedy shows, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are both very intelligent people.

Yes, John Kyl is a fething dumbass.
   
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#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

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Can't open which is ashame because it sounds like another politician imploding which is always fun to watch.

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Frazzled wrote:Can't open which is ashame because it sounds like another politician imploding which is always fun to watch.

Stewart and Colbert making idiots of themselves. Other people taking what comedians on a comedy show say at face value while making fun of a legitimate news station. You're really not missing much.

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Well, the video clip of Kyl saying that, and his office responding verbatim... not hard to take that at face value, right?

   
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Or they are stating facts. I got my prostate exam at walgreens from a guy named Big Hank.

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sexiest_hero wrote:Or they are stating facts. I got my prostate exam at walgreens from a guy named Big Hank.


To sig? Or not to sig? That it the question.

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biccat wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Can't open which is ashame because it sounds like another politician imploding which is always fun to watch.

Stewart and Colbert making idiots of themselves. Other people taking what comedians on a comedy show say at face value while making fun of a legitimate news station. You're really not missing much.


Sad then that the daily show is a more factually reliable source then the majority of televised news media in the US. Kinda makes you wish they would just open up a 24 hour station to put MSNBC to bed.

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Biccat, thank you for ripping on Steward and Colbert. There is no faster way for anyone to totally discredit their own political opinions in public.

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ShumaGorath wrote:
biccat wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Can't open which is ashame because it sounds like another politician imploding which is always fun to watch.

Stewart and Colbert making idiots of themselves. Other people taking what comedians on a comedy show say at face value while making fun of a legitimate news station. You're really not missing much.


Sad then that the daily show is a more factually reliable source then the majority of televised news media in the US. Kinda makes you wish they would just open up a 24 hour station to put MSNBC to bed.


Yeah, so much truth here. Its really sad to say, but time has shown that it is true.

But, biccat loves to be contradictory to everything, so arguing with him is like beating your head against a brick wall.
   
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Sad then that the daily show is a more factually reliable source then the majority of televised news media in the US. Kinda makes you wish they would just open up a 24 hour station to put MSNBC to bed


It's sad when the daily show is more factually reliable than the majority of politicians. Truth is funnier than fiction! and yet sadder too!

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Mannahnin wrote:Biccat, thank you for ripping on Steward and Colbert. There is no faster way for anyone to totally discredit their own political opinions in public.

Wait...You do understand that Stewart and Colbert are comedians, right?

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biccat wrote:
Mannahnin wrote:Biccat, thank you for ripping on Steward and Colbert. There is no faster way for anyone to totally discredit their own political opinions in public.

Wait...You do understand that Stewart and Colbert are comedians, right?


A a source that reports truthfully and comedically on news matters can still report ethically and accurately. They are not mutually exclusive. Being comedians gives them a pass for reporting things incorrectly or falsely. That they don't in the current media environment is both the key to their massive commercial success and is sadly telling about the other news media outlets in the U.S.

Shouting that he's a comedian doesn't make him any less legitimate when his shtick is pointing out funny and true things in politics and the media.

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biccat wrote:
Mannahnin wrote:Biccat, thank you for ripping on Steward and Colbert. There is no faster way for anyone to totally discredit their own political opinions in public.

Wait...You do understand that Stewart and Colbert are comedians, right?


Wait....you do realize that they can, and do, speak facts as well as comedy, right?

Damn, ninja'd!

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Oh biccat yousofunny!

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ShumaGorath wrote:A a source that reports truthfully and comedically on news matters can still report ethically and accurately. They are not mutually exclusive. Being comedians gives them a pass for reporting things incorrectly or falsely.

So they're a legitimate news source that can report either truth or falsehood with equal impunity? The term "news" used to mean that the information was presented fairly and without bias.

I suppose when the mainstream sources for news (e.g. CNN, CBS) are so untrustworthy, you would turn to a comedian where at least their falsehoods and outright lies on news stories can be rationalized. But most adults prefer a source for news that presents facts, rather than opinion and distortions.

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biccat wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:A a source that reports truthfully and comedically on news matters can still report ethically and accurately. They are not mutually exclusive. Being comedians gives them a pass for reporting things incorrectly or falsely.

So they're a legitimate news source that can report either truth or falsehood with equal impunity? The term "news" used to mean that the information was presented fairly and without bias.

I suppose when the mainstream sources for news (e.g. CNN, CBS) are so untrustworthy, you would turn to a comedian where at least their falsehoods and outright lies on news stories can be rationalized. But most adults prefer a source for news that presents facts, rather than opinion and distortions.



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So, for those of us who aren't American and can't get those videos to play in our country (although I absolutely love Stewert and Colbert), could someone please summarize?

And for the record, just because they satirize the news regularly doesn't mean they can't be truthful or serious. I found Jon Stewert's interview with 9/11 first respondants to be incredibly moving.

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This is quoting "sexiest_hero"

Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) said in the last-holdout budget debate about Planned Parenthood that abortion is “well over 90 percent of what Planned Parenthood does.”

In fact, the correct percentage is 3%. Abortions are not funded by federal dollars

When asked for an explanation of the discrepancy, his office issued the following clarification:

His remark was not intended to be a factual statement, but rather to illustrate that Planned Parenthood, an organization that receives millions of dollars in taxpayer funding, does subsidize abortions."

Not intended to be a factual statement"? Unbelievable.

That's a new way of getting out of saying "I lied".

Oh, and sorry mate, but I always read your name as "sexist_hero".

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yBiccat, You look really silly right now.

Stewart and Colbert are comedians. They shout this every day. They are not responsible to the same level of journalistic integrity that real news reporters are, which makes it all the more ironic and all the more damning an indictment of every real news organization in this country when they DO report on a given story more directly and accurately than any news organization (of whatever political suasion) does.

Being comedians also gives them the freedom to indulge in "gotcha" journalism, in the sense that they're not afraid to play back to back clips of a politician (right or left; they hit both) flip flopping and contradicting themselves. In this sense they've filled an important void in the American news media.

I challenge you openly to find anything they've reported on seriously (as opposed to in a clearly comedic tone) which wasn't factual. They do a hell of a job.

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biccat wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:A a source that reports truthfully and comedically on news matters can still report ethically and accurately. They are not mutually exclusive. Being comedians gives them a pass for reporting things incorrectly or falsely.

So they're a legitimate news source that can report either truth or falsehood with equal impunity? The term "news" used to mean that the information was presented fairly and without bias.

I suppose when the mainstream sources for news (e.g. CNN, CBS) are so untrustworthy, you would turn to a comedian where at least their falsehoods and outright lies on news stories can be rationalized. But most adults prefer a source for news that presents facts, rather than opinion and distortions.


If you're going to respond to my post read all of it. Don't cut it off at an important point. thats lazy, lame and disingenuous.

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Essentially, they're like the fool in the king's court. As insensical and comedic as they may be, they're the only ones that can get away with saying the truth in a human context.
   
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Precisely.

Anyone who thinks Stewart or Colbert is an idiot is badly misinformed and doing themselves a huge disservice by not watching for themselves.

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biccat wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:A a source that reports truthfully and comedically on news matters can still report ethically and accurately. They are not mutually exclusive. Being comedians gives them a pass for reporting things incorrectly or falsely.

So they're a legitimate news source that can report either truth or falsehood with equal impunity? The term "news" used to mean that the information was presented fairly and without bias.

I suppose when the mainstream sources for news (e.g. CNN, CBS) are so untrustworthy, you would turn to a comedian where at least their falsehoods and outright lies on news stories can be rationalized. But most adults prefer a source for news that presents facts, rather than opinion and distortions.



What about El Rustbo? he's considered an entertainer and a god in his own mind, yet lots of conservatives take his dribble as "News and Facts"?

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Good ol' Rushy.

Neither Stewart or Colbert has ever said that drug addicts should be thrown in prison without probation, then be themselves later found to be addicts.

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Mannahnin wrote:Good ol' Rushy.

Neither Stewart or Colbert has ever said that drug addicts should be thrown in prison without probation, then be themselves later found to be addicts.


But.. but Rush's addiction helped big Pharm and is ok, those dopeheads and crack addicts don't support big industry so need to be punished.
Anyone who ignores what Stewart showed because he's a comedian just wants to ignore the stupidity of this politician.
He showed actual clips of the man stating that abortion was 90% of what Planned Parenthood did. This is fact. Senator John Kyl said this, he tried to get people to accept this as real.
We then get shown an actual newsclip of his office's response when called on this. "It was not meant to be a factual statement".
The lie and then stating that the lie was "not meant to be a factual statement" are the important things here, not how people received the news.
   
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Sen Kyl: "Well over 90% of what Planned Parenthood does is abortions."
Stewart/CNN: "Actually, about 3% of what they do is abortions, and here's an embarassing press release from Sen Kyl's office where they can't even make a pretense of defending him."
Stewart/Colbert: "This is crazy. 3% is nowhere near 'well over 90%'. And no taxpayer money goes to abortions anyway. So the foundation of his argument is entirely fallacious. Fart joke."
Fox & Friends: "Planned Parenthood isn't necessary for low-income women to get health services. You can those services at Walgreen's".
Colbert: "You can get pap smears and breast exams at Walgreen's?"
Biccat: "Stewart and Colbert making idiots of themselves."
The rest of the world:

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Mannahnin wrote:Sen Kyl: "Well over 90% of what Planned Parenthood does is abortions."
Stewart/CNN: "Actually, about 3% of what they do is abortions, and here's an embarassing press release from Sen Kyl's office where they can't even make a pretense of defending him."
Stewart/Colbert: "This is crazy. 3% is nowhere near 'well over 90%'. And no taxpayer money goes to abortions anyway. So the foundation of his argument is entirely fallacious. Fart joke."
Fox & Friends: "Planned Parenthood isn't necessary for low-income women to get health services. You can those services at Walgreen's".
Colbert: "You can get pap smears and breast exams at Walgreen's?"
Biccat: "Stewart and Colbert making idiots of themselves."
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Looks about right to me....

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Yeah, this thread pretty much sums it up for the quality of Republican debate right now. A Republican politician tells a ridiculous lie. Someone points out there was a ridiculous lie.

Republican footsoldiers, so desperately attached to their cause that they're happy to ignore reality rather than concede a point, attack the person who pointed out the lie instead.

This whole thread would be funny, but biccat is hardly the only super-loyal footsoldier out there, there's millions of them and plenty are worse than he is. And the result is political debate, and therefore governance of the most powerful nation in the world, is absolutely, positively ridiculous.

To have an honest, productive political movement it's members need to be first and foremost committed to what is real, and when your leaders spout lies then the first step needs to be to condemn those people, not to attack the person who pointed out the lie.

And yes, the easy response is to say the Democrats do it too. Well, yes, they do, and they could also get a lot better. But they're simply nowhere near as bad, and while it hurts their cause too, it is nowhere near as crippling as it is on the Republicans right now.

Until the Republicans commit meaningfully to being honest first and foremost, they're doomed to be nothing more than a destructive force in politics.

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