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I saw this on BOLS.

Linky linky:http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2011/04/warhammer-40k-editorial-building-lists.html

The idea was that tournaments are unbalanced due to lack of knowledge of the scenario and opponent.

The "All Comers List" is the result, and it is also why certain builds and certain armies are so popular.

The author's idea was to set up a tournament where you announce the scenario and the opponent's army, then players create lists and play.

Rinse and repeat each round.

That would add a good bit of time to what's usually a tight schedule.

I like the idea but propose an adjustment.

I am in a 1750 trny tomorrow so I will use that as an example.

1750 3 round tournament with reinforcements. Create a 1750 list, but add information for 4 reinforcement units that can alter your list during the tournament. The point limit is still 1750 for each round, but you change your list by substituting units from your reinforcement list. You may also change up to 75 points worth of equipment within the list to make your points come out even.

Here are the 3 scenarios we will use.
Rnd 1 scenario - blah, blah, blah
Rnd 2 scenario - blah, blah, blah
Rnd 3 scenario - blah, blah, blah

Prior to the first round and between each of the rounds, players will be informed of the race of the opposing army for that round. At that time each player submits their roster to the tournament manager, and the round will comence. Players will be allowed no more than 10 minutes to submit new lists, otherwise the original 1750 list must be used.


You still wouldn't know the composition of your opponent's list, but you would at least know the race, and the scenario. From that you can make adjustments, and put your best army on the table.

so people whith alot of money will be able to bild lists to destroy and people who can only afford a solid balanced army will be mauled. NO THANK YOU! It shouldn't be the army that wins but the general.

I Agree With The Sexiest Hero!

Never thought i'd have to say that....

So us lousey players who love 40k so much we take out a 2nd mortgage to buy extra stuff and we never learn how to play any of it, what we arn't allowed to win a tournament. EVER?

sexiest_hero wrote:so people whith alot of money will be able to bild lists to destroy and people who can only afford a solid balanced army will be mauled. NO THANK YOU! It shouldn't be the army that wins but the general.

But most times it is the army that wins. Did you see how many Space Wolves players there were at Adepticon this year? Not to mention "counts-as" space wolves. It's quite ridiculous.

I like the idea of not making the list at the table, but the ability to bring 2 lists from the same codex. Find out what Codex your opponent is using, pick one of the two lists and play with it.

ArmyC wrote:So us lousey players who love 40k so much we take out a 2nd mortgage to buy extra stuff and we never learn how to play any of it, what we arn't allowed to win a tournament. EVER?

This might come across as harsh:

No. Either get better like everyone else or quit playing. Money should NOT be a substitute for skill, ever.

ArmyC wrote:So us lousey players who love 40k so much we take out a 2nd mortgage to buy extra stuff and we never learn how to play any of it, what we arn't allowed to win a tournament. EVER?

I hate to break it to you, but if you suck, why the feth should you win tournaments?

How about this, you get together and throw money in a fire. Last person to stop throwing money wins. That's a tournament that might be more to your tastes.