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http://www.dakkadakka.com/Desperately need help with My Jr. Grand Tournament List for July, This is My First attempt at making a list, and really need people to help me, I've got the money and experience to get anything in the codex, just need help deciding what to get, This is my first list, Please Comment and Discuss. Thanks


HQ:
1 Haemonculus Ancient /w Webway Portal, Agoniser and Liquifier 145
3 Haemonculi /w Agonisers and Liquifiers 240 points
Troop:
8 Wracks /w Liquifier and Acothist /w Agoniser 120 Points
8 Wracks /w Liquifier and Acothist /w Agoniser 120 Points
8 Wracks /w Liquifier and Acothist /w Agoniser 120 Points
8 Wracks /w Liquifier and Acothist /w Agoniser 120 Points
10 Wyches /w Haywire Grenades and 2 Hydra Gauntlets 140 Points
Dedicated Transport:
4 Raiders /w Darklances, Flickerfields and 280 Points.
Heavy Support:
1 Ravager /w 3 darklances, Flickerfield and 115 Points
1 Cronus Parasite Engine /w Spirit Vortex 100 Points
Grand Total: 1500

The Wracks go in the raiders, Haemonculus in each squad, then the Cronus and Wyches in reserve with the Webway. Thanks for any comments

If you haven't already done it; Read Dash and Thor's DE tactica. This will answer so many questions. Do it. Just, do it.

This list will not win, period. More DL's, lots more, like 15+.

Where can I access this Tactica?

The Hqs and Troops choices are ok. Wracks are resilient and really face smashers when it comes to infantry.

The problem is AT, Ravagers Ravagers Ravagers Trueborn Trueborn Trueborn.

Also, look at Haemonculus Ancient and the Haemonculus, does the 30pts make such a diference? I think not.

Away with the WWP, the Ancientness, Wyches and Cronos you get 205points
Almost two Ravagers, exacly the AT you need.

EDIT:

My math is terribly off, you get 305 points for taking it all out, not 205.

4 Trueborns with 4 Blasters inside a Raider with Flicker Fields and a Ravager with Flickerfields. 12 points left for an extra Wrack somewhere

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Dark_Eldar_Tactica_Part_1

and. . .

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/357250.page

My New and Improved List after reading the Tactica and Taking in the advice.

1500 Point list:
HQ:
1 Haemonculus /w Power Weapon and Liquifier 75 Points
2 Haemonculi /w Agonisers and Liquifiers 160 points
Elite:
5 Trueborn /w 4 Blasters 120 Points
5 Trueborn /w 4 Blasters 120 Points
Troop:
7 Wracks /w Liquifier and Acothist /w Agoniser 110 Points
7 Wracks /w Liquifier and Acothist /w Agoniser 110 Points
7 Wracks /w Liquifier and Acothist /w Agoniser 110 Points
Dedicated Transport:
5 Raiders /w Darklances, Flickerfields 350 Points.
Heavy Support:
3 Ravager /w 3 darklances, Flickerfields 345Points.
Grand Total: 1500

How does that look? I'm glad I had your guys help, because I think this list is looking better already

Total of:
22 Lances, 3 Scoring Units, 8 Skimmers and 3 Haemonculi

much better :p

If you can salvage 30pts somewhere, I'd consider dropping the 2 x 5 Trueborn in Raiders for 3 x 3 in Venoms.

I Wouldn't know where to get the Venoms from, Plus for the sake of Kill Points I would probably go for the 2 lots of 5 in raider, because it's only 4 rather than 6

This is probably the Coven list i would field in a 1500 list.

Well done.

Please, come back and report how it fared.

Will Do I've just entered an 1000 tournament and came first with my Dark Eldar, So I think my lists have a certain edge to them

@Grim Smasha - the advertising cheque is in the mail

Next up; a personal message from Thor -

Thor665 wrote:Let me also take a moment for a personal rant: If new DE generals are going to keep insisting to treat 'Dedicated Transports' as though it's an actual Force Org slot - the least they can do is specifically note which units are taking the transports as opposed to expecting people to guess. Also - Dedicated transports are an upgrade to a unit and should be listed as such.

I might need to sig that soon, it's starting to get to me.

Okay - onto the list;

Deraiderspam wrote:1 Haemonculus /w Power Weapon and Liquifier 75 Points
2 Haemonculi /w Agonisers and Liquifiers 160 points

Pretty neutral on that power weapon choice. Yeah, with Furious charge you'll have Str 4, but it's still only 4 power weapon swings. I'd probably want to upgrade to an Agoniser, personally, or downgrade to a Venom Blade.

Elite:
5 Trueborn /w 4 Blasters 120 Points
5 Trueborn /w 4 Blasters 120 Points

You're paying 24 points here for the right to have one semi-ablative wound for your Blasters. Meh. By the time the Trueblasters are being blown up they're going to be dead or useless in a few moments anyway - one extra T3 5+ armor save model isn't changing that much. Trust me, you can find a better use for 24 points, an Agoniser springs immediately to mind

Troop:
7 Wracks /w Liquifier and Acothist /w Agoniser 110 Points
7 Wracks /w Liquifier and Acothist /w Agoniser 110 Points
7 Wracks /w Liquifier and Acothist /w Agoniser 110 Points

I'm guessing this is the home of the Haemons. FNP and Furious charge will make these things some tough nuts to deal with.

Dedicated Transport:
5 Raiders /w Darklances, Flickerfields 350 Points.

::Mumbles under breath::

Heavy Support:
3 Ravager /w 3 darklances, Flickerfields 345Points.

Ravtastic.

Individually I don't have any particular issue with your army, taken as a whole though I can think of a few holes. I'm having to bite my tongue a bit because I think in an overall strategy sense that Covens are probably the third tier option of DE competitiveness (behind Cult and Kabal, but ahead of WWP and anything involving Hellions). However, let's try to stick to the basics.

The big hole I see is your HQs, you are eating up a lot of points fielding three Haemons - how badly do the Wracks need Furious Charge to do their job?
Is it more valuable than fielding, well, basically another squad of Wracks? Because if you look at the points from dropping 2 Haemons that's what you get - 7 Wracks w. Agoniser and a Raider (no FF though...but then again that's what dropping random extra bodies from Trueblasters is all about). Is Furious charge better than having an entire extra squad of Wracks to lob at someone? It's a personal call, but my personal belief is - no. At 1500 I see only having 3 troop options as a liability, and think 4 is much smarter. Also, having another Raider on the field is *very* tech.

My thoughts,
Thor.

1500 Point list:
HQ:
1 Haemonculus /w Agoniser and Liquifier 80 Points
Elite:
4 Trueborn /w 4 Blasters in Raider /w Flicker Fields 178 Points
4 Trueborn /w 4 Blasters in Raider /w Flicker Fields 178 Points
Troop:
7 Wracks /w Liquifier and Acothist /w Agoniser in Raider /w Flicker Fields 180 Points
7 Wracks /w Liquifier and Acothist /w Agoniser in Raider /w Flicker Fields 180 Points
7 Wracks /w Liquifier and Acothist /w Agoniser in Raider /w Flicker Fields 180 Points
7 Wracks /w Liquifier and Acothist /w Agoniser in Raider /w Flicker Fields 180 Points
Heavy Support:
3 Ravager /w 3 darklances, Flickerfields 345Points.
Grand Total: 1501
Taken your Advice Thor and I do prefer the Look of This List thanks, Please Tell Me If you prefer it, Thanks
DEraiderspam

I do like the look of that list quite a bit.

1501 though? I must have messed up my mental math somewhere along the line in how much I was saving you. Probably modifying the Haemy is the best way to save points for this list.


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Ooooh, and that was my 2000th post, and I'm finally upgraded from a suckage Hellion to...a Reaver JetBike. Huh. Well, at least I like RJBs more than Hellions I suppose.