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Hey guys,

Sorry if this is in the wrong forum.

My friends and I have recently picked up Fantasy and we've been trying to learn the rules on our own. It's a lot to learn all at once, even as a transition from 40k.
I had a few questions regarding Skaven, specifically the Doomwheel:

1. Do the 3 shots from the Doomwheel have to roll to hit or do they hit automatically?

2. I managed to roll S10 for the Doomwheel shots, with 2 managing to wound. By my understanding, the S10 would totally negate my friend's Chaos Knights' armour saves (1+). Then each unsaved wound (which would be all of them, barring a ward save) would be multiplied by D6 killing off that many knights, right?

3. My friend had 6 WoC in base-to-base with, and flanking, my Doomwheel. Is my Doomwheel allowed to do a combat reform after combat and reorient itself so that only 4 WoC are in base-to-base with the front of it? The combat reform rules in the rulebook are a bit ambiguous regarding this.

4. In 8th edition, what does being a Warpstone weapon imply? In the codex it just states that it is magical but I can't find any references to what that may mean in the rulebook.

I'm sure we're doing a plethora of things wrong, but these are the situations that popped up in our recent game. I would love to hear your interpretations. Thanks!

1. As I read it, they automatically hit, as it says you strike the closest unit, not target or shoot at.

2. Yes Str10 would be a -7 armor save on the chart so no armor saves. However the way the D3 or D6 wounds works is a hierarchy of things and they go in this order
-Roll to hit (not in Zzzzaps case)
-Roll to wound, Strength of hit vs Toughness of Target
-Armor Saves, if any
-Ward Saves, if any
-If any of those go through they are considered wounding hits
-If the thing or weapon attacking causes D6 or D3 wounds roll for wounds, this means that out of 6 Chaos Knights if you wound 3 you kill 3, Multiple wounds are only applicable if you wounded a multi wound model, For example if you auto hit an Ogre Bull Unit of 6 bulls and managed to wound 3, you would roll the D6 for each ogre, so you roll a 1, 3 and 6 so you kill 2 as they have 3 wounds and you knock 1 bull down to 2 wounds remaining.

3. Good question, I'm not too sure about it.

4. It's a magical weapon, I think it can hurt things like ethereals.

Thanks for the response.

2. So regarding the multiple wounds, in my situation the Doomwheel would've killed 2 knights instead of 2D6 knights. That's good to know and seems more fair.

3. It would seem odd to me if chariots (and other models that have bases longer than they are wide) couldn't reform to face their opponent because it would remove the base contact of some models.

4. Ah, okay, I see it under the rules for ethereal.

I've come up with another question!

5. Correct me if I'm wrong, but models with a 1+ armour save must still roll the save and would fail on a roll of 1. So essentially the only difference between a 1+ and a 2+ armour save would be that the 1+ provides a buffer against things with strength 4 or higher. Is this right?

Yes it does

Vermillion wrote:Yes it does

I'm assuming that's in response to question 5. About the 1+ save just being a buffer against armour modifying strength!

Yup, a roll of 1 on armour saves is always a failure, it just means that you need S9 or more to remove the armour save, rather than just S8!

And also, are you sure the Doomwheel doesn't need to hit? I'm pretty new to WFB myself but I assumed that because the unit had a BS, and it didn't say 'automatically strikes', it just says strikes that it had to roll to hit.......

Anyone else with any input?

Doomwheels zap auto hit, its in the unit entry.

Thanks for the clarifications!

Can anyone shed some knowledge regarding the reforming Doomwheel/Chariots situation?