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A broadside and railguns stand have clearance over FW, Kroot, Pathfinders etc. Can he shoot over them or is LOS blocked by his own units?

He is treated as infantry and sits on a 40mm base.

Anyone?

Since the broadsides are infantry you look from where the broadsides heads are, is any part of the target obscured(or at least 50% of a unit of multiple models) from view because the line of sight passes through something? If yes then cover based on whats blocking, if no then no cover.


This game uses TLOS so you go based on the models eyes and what it could see.

As AvengingKnee said.

It's true LOS. You have to bend over the table and look. If, from the perspective of the firing model's eyes, the shot is clear, you're good.

When shooting through/over an intervening squad (like a Kroot screen in front of your Broadsides), you trace LOS from the firing models' eyes, head to toe on the targeted models. If any part of them (even a toe) is obscured, that model has cover. If you have to draw LOS BETWEEN models in the intervening unit (as opposed to OVER them), then that also grants cover.

It all comes down to the actual position of the models on the table.

In most cases, a screen of Kroot or FCW a couple of inches in front of Broadsides is going to be short enough that the Broadsides can trace a clear LOS over the Kroot, thus not granting cover to enemies across the field. Whereas enemies shooting back at the Broadsides from across the field usually WILL be granting cover to the Broadsides for shooting through/between the Kroot. This is just how the rule works based on geometry.

So to play devils advocate and because someone made this argument during a game...

"Why not base certain units higher, even if they aren't modeled so, to get LOS"

Also, I thought a model/unit had to be 50%/majority of unit obscured to receive cover unless in area terrain?

if any of the models body is obscured it gets cover.

if 50%+ of the unit can get cover in this way, then the squad gets a 4+

jb50c wrote:So to play devils advocate and because someone made this argument during a game...

"Why not base certain units higher, even if they aren't modeled so, to get LOS"

Also, I thought a model/unit had to be 50%/majority of unit obscured to receive cover unless in area terrain?

Basing certain units higher could be construed as modeling for advantage and would be breaking the rules.

As noted, at least half of the models in a targeted unit have to be in cover (from the firers' perspective) for the unit to get cover saves.

As for basing them higher, that would run the risk of being seen as "modeling for advantage", in which case the models might be banned from a tournament or forced to be treated as the stock model. Adepticon's rule is that if a converted or counts-as model gains a game advantage from the conversion, it must be treated as the stock model in that instance.

Mannahnin wrote:As for basing them higher, that would run the risk of being seen as "modeling for advantage", in which case the models might be banned from a tournament or forced to be treated as the stock model. Adepticon's rule is that if a converted or counts-as model gains a game advantage from the conversion, it must be treated as the stock model in that instance.

It also makes it harder for the now taller model to itself benefit from cover...

What about stock models that are simply glued a bit skew-whiff? One of my broadsides is stumpy and the other is taller, but both are the model as it came, just modelled differently (stumpy has both feet on the floor with the legs and body at slight angles to balance the weight of the railguns, but the other broadside didn't suffer from that trouble as was modelled walking tall as normal).

You're free to build your models however you wish.

The point being made was simply that if you take it to extremes in order to give yourself some perceived in-game advantage, your opponent is likely to take it amiss.

There are no hard and fast rules for what is and isn't acceptable, modelling-wise. It's all down to you and your opponent.