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Made in gb
Pyro Pilot of a Triach Stalker






Norwich

ghazy's prophet of the waaagh means his saving throw becomes invulnerable. does the vindicare's shield-breaker take away this save?

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/04/19 19:10:33




 
   
Made in gb
Ferocious Blood Claw





If its a item of Wargear then it can be broken, if it from a special ability (such as Dodge on Lilith) then it cant be taken away.

Very handy for taking out terminator characters who have a Storm Sheild cause you can break the Storm Sheild and then remove the 5++ save from the Terminator Armour (but you can't remove the terminator armour at the same time)

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Made in de
Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk






woodbok wrote:ghazy's prophet of the waaagh means his saving throw becomes invulnerable. does the vindicare's shield-breaker take away this save?


It takes away the 5++ cybork save, but not the 2++ save from his Waagh!. While the 2+ armor save is wargear, the improved invulnerable save is not.

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Made in au
Horrific Howling Banshee





his armour save provides 2+

his armour save is granted by wargear (Mega Armour)

the special rule says his inv save becomes invulnerable.

the mega armour is wargear so could technically be broken by shield breaker
   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut




No it cant. The Special Rule provides the invulnerable save, not wargear (the wargear defines how good the save is, it does not provide it in the first place)
   
Made in us
Been Around the Block





Stiyx wrote:If its a item of Wargear then it can be broken, if it from a special ability (such as Dodge on Lilith) then it cant be taken away.

Very handy for taking out terminator characters who have a Storm Sheild cause you can break the Storm Sheild and then remove the 5++ save from the Terminator Armour (but you can't remove the terminator armour at the same time)


Actually shield-breaker says you lose "Any Saves granted by items of wargear". So the shot would remove both at the same time.

But I agree that Ghaz does NOT lose his 2++ save for the 2 turns it's active, but he does lose the 5++ save granted by his cybork body.

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Regular Dakkanaut




Agreed.

Record:

8th edition:
Tyranids: 5-4-3
Orks: 4-2-1

5th edition

Orks:18-5-1
Tyranids: 17-10-4

6th edition

Tyranids: 6-4-1
Orks: 3-1-0 
   
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk






Actually it says "Any invulnarable saves". He does not lose his armor save.

7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. 
   
 
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