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So I cant explain why, but I have always thought that a psyker cant use the same non-shooting power twice in a turn ( If he is allowed to use two powers ie. epistolary librarian). This question applies to both if a power is succesful or not. So for example if you are trying to cast a power and it causes a perils of the warp, can you turn around and try the same power again ? And like wise if you are casting a quick silver from the grey knights, can you cast it twice in two seperate units? I cant seem to find anything in the rule book saying you cant. Please help.

Hey man

I understand where you're at because Thousand Sons Chaos Space Marine sorcerers can use two psychic abilities per turn.

You can use two, yes. It can be the same power, because what you're describing is NOT a shooting power. Obviously this means you can cast it twice.

Like close combat attacks, you must declare what you're rolling before you do so (since spells cast in a portion of a phase are attempted at the same time)

Example- I want to cast warptime, so I do so. If I fail, I cannot attempt again as I did not say I was going to cast it twice (increasing my chance of getting it.

Sorry for the long answer, I've had a few energy drinks

any psyker can use the same psychic power as long as it isn't a shooting attack.

unless the psyker is also able to fire multiple shooting weapons(MC psyker???)



GK Librarian attempts to cast Quicksilver. if he fails, he can attempt it a 2nd time or even 3rd time as long as he doesn't cast more psychic powers then he is allowed(upgrade to cast 3 powers)


a 1K sons sorceror can use Gift of Chaos multiple times a round as it isn't a PSA.

No thats perfect, so the only way to cast the same non shooting power twice is to say so before you roll the dice, so basically never ? Please tell me if I am miss understanding you. Thousand sons daemon prince casting warp time is exactlly the situation that caused this question. Warptime, fail, I cast warptime again, success. I was pretty sure you cant do that but wasnt right in the reasoning. Makes sence, thanks.


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So i guess then in responce to grey templar is, do you have to declare all psykic powers that are cast at the same time, before rolling any dice?

You declare your powers, and resolve them, one at a time.

you are able to reattempt to cast if you fail the first time.



its pretty clear.

Hmmm..

I will still stick to my "all in one go" method, even if it may be a different way to do it. It's at least not illegal :p

I think it helps me prioritize

Grey Templar wrote:any psyker can use the same psychic power as long as it isn't a shooting attack.

Eldar can't.

why, explain please

They're codex says so.

and where does it say that you declare your powers and resolve, one at a time, is that in the rule book ?

The rulebook does not require you to declare all powers simultaneously, so you dont have to. You just follow the p50 (from memory) rules for each power in sequence.

Shooting attacks from a single unit, on the other hand, are always resolved simultaneously - even if they are PSA - so an MC psyker who intended to use two PSA in the same phase would be required to declare both and make both psychic tests. If one of the two resulted in death because of POTW, it's reasonable to assume that the other PSA would still resolve normally.

OTOH, I can't think of any MC psykers who can use more than one Psychic Power, so who cares.

Chaos marines daemon prince of tzeentch

yup, tzeentch Daemon prince is what started this thread, but he wasnt trying to shoot twice. Thnaks for all the responces guys, you answerd my question.

you do not have to resolve them simultaneously, if it says "the power is used in the movement phase" for instance, you use it, epic fail, so you use it again....still in the movement phase...

So if I am reading this correctly a GK Librarian with Quicksilver could cast it on two different units for it is during the assault phase and not a shooting attack?

nosferatu1001 wrote:Chaos marines daemon prince of tzeentch

Also Swarmlord.

Nine_breaker wrote:So if I am reading this correctly a GK Librarian with Quicksilver could cast it on two different units for it is during the assault phase and not a shooting attack?

yup,

make him mastery lvl3 and he can buff 3 units

Thanks Grey!

Mental Note: Switch all of my halberds for falchions and take Librarians....

What about Mephiston, could he potentiallly use "wings" three times and fly/jump up to 36" ?

Colep715 wrote:What about Mephiston, could he potentiallly use "wings" three times and fly/jump up to 36" ?

Doesn't wings just make him jump infantry? Eitherway, I think the 36" is a bit out there.

Wings doesn't allow him to make a 12" move.

it allows him to move as Jump Infantry for that movement phase.


multiple castings, while perfectly legal, don't provide additional benifit.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:any psyker can use the same psychic power as long as it isn't a shooting attack.

Eldar can't.

Farseers cannot, Eldrad can as stated in the rules for the Staff of Ulthamar

Grey Templar wrote:any psyker can use the same psychic power as long as it isn't a shooting attack.

unless the psyker is also able to fire multiple shooting weapons(MC psyker???)

Just to clarify, a MC can't use the same psychic shooting attack twice ("Powers that are psychic shooting attacks can only be used once per turn," CSM FAQ).

So you can cast Gift of Chaos twice, or Bolt of Change followed by Doombolt, but can't cast Doombolt twice.

Which ist perfectly following RAW even without a FAQ, as psychic shooting attacks a used like weapons, and you can't fire any weapon twice.

Grey Templar wrote:Wings doesn't allow him to make a 12" move.

it allows him to move as Jump Infantry for that movement phase.


multiple castings, while perfectly legal, don't provide additional benifit.

Rgr that